Posted on 03/27/2010 12:59:55 PM PDT by worst-case scenario
Thank you, the article has been pulled by the author.
This man isn’t defending the Constitution, he’s defending the government in power.
The 2nd amendment was not about making sure that people could just overthrow the government when they weren't getting their way.
The 2nd amendment was about making sure that the government couldn't overthrow the bounds of the Constitution.
While there is still Constitutional recourse to political change, any rebellion that takes place is a rebellion against the Constitution. We are still well within that level of governmental malfeasance.
Thanks for posting this. This debate has been incredibly heartening and educational.
The Declaration of Independence in instructive on this point:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
The last bolded clause is especially instructive: it is not merely our right but our DUTY to throw off such government.
The challenge lies in knowing WHEN the tipping point has been reached.
The Social War is coming. As of now it is simply not time. Things are not bad enough yet. Of course, some of the military would shoot their fellow citizens-they must. The interesting part will be how many military will shoot the politicians.
I really didn't have to look far... after all, he uses his name in his Newsvine blog link. But you can use anyone's name in your blog link. However, the pictures he posted prove that he is who he says he is. Although I guess it is always possible someone is posing as him in an effort to frame him. I doubt it. I think he thinks he's smarter than your average bear.
Just gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that your tax dollars were first used to indoctrinate him at public school, and now are being used to train him to kill you, your family, neighbors, friends and co-workers at Dear Leader's behest, doesn't it? 'Cause he certainly has a twisted comprehension of the Constitution.
Hmm. Well that settles the issue of WHY a Liberal, posing as a Marine, would post this as a kind of COINTELPRO. It’s actually a Marine who’s a Liberal, and actually believes what he’s saying.
I can’t thank you enough, ponygirl, for doing the digging. You earned your Detective Badge. It’s too bad I can’t edit the original post to reflect the new links and your info.
I’ve sent a link to this thread to the friend who originally forwarded it to me yesterday. He’s always jousting with me over politics - this discussion should give him a real insight into what a lot of patriots think.
We agree.
I may have misunderstood your first post.
I don't believe the tipping point has been reached yet, but we are heading in that direction, and probably over a third of the way there.
Actually, I should clarify... I do not know for certain that he is based at Pendleton. I was making an assumption based on the San Diego connection.
If we truly had chaos and Left vs. Right violence, it would lead to a temporary military dictatorship and a transition government under a Colin Powell-type.
If they think there would be open engagements with the military then none of them are fit to war game the possibilities. Not that that wouldn't occur at all but it would represent less than 2% of the way resistance manifested IMO. He doesn't have the slightest idea how citizens would carry things out.
If he fears dissenting opinion on the internet I wouldn't worry too much about his ability to take it to the streets. Even if the military were called up to quell a rebellion I don't think his higher ups will ever give him the orders or the tools he imagines using on the American populace. Politics will rule the day and ruin his. 0bamunist takeover notwithstanding.
Massive Federal Raid in Lenawee County (FBI DHS moving "small army" against militia in Mich.)
Depends on what the standards and policies of the board were. I wouldn’t ban someone just because they posted something that angered me or that I disagrred with, no matter how profoundly.
Of course, since it has been verified now by other Freepers that this guy really exists, and is a real marine, it appears that either he wrote and posted this yesterday, or that he plagiarized it from another source. You say that you debunked this and banned it on another forum. How long ago was that? Because he might have copied it and then published it as his own yesterday.
Is there any other explanation?
The debate on NewsVine is still hot and heavy, hit his retraction thread and start reading.....
And they won’t discriminate between conservatives and libs. To them it’s the haves and have nots.
The tanks don’t build themselves.
from one Jarhead to another...
Boy, get your head out of your aft.
Nobody calling for Civil War, at least not at the meetings I’ve been to.
But...
Everyone does need to think about one thing.
We will be outgunned.
They have body armor, we do not.
Those who take up arms against a tyrannical government will die. Just as have all those before who would not bow to a dictator.
I am prepared for that. Not calling for it, but am prepared.
As is my father. A Marine.
As is my mother. A housewife.
As is my cousin. A Marine.
As is my aunt. A Business Owner.
Everyday ordinary citizens, who like those that fought the original war for freedom in this country.
It all comes down to what you are prepared for, and prepared to do.
Pray for peace, pray for guidance. Pray for our active duty sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, all those who wear the uniform.
Pray that those young and ignorant remember the oath they took. To protect and defend the Constitution. Not the sitting President, not Congress. The CONSTITUTION. From enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.
Do not include those, sitting in their homes, going to tea parties, calling in true civil, righteous anger their ELECTED reps, as DOMESTIC threats.
No one here, no one who loves our Country, who treasures the life and liberty we enjoy, is calling for ANY form of armed conflict.
We hear the heartbeat of liberty slowing, and we are simply saying, WE are watching, WE are listening, WE will not go quietly into the night.
WE ARE AMERICANS. And WE have the God given right to be heard.
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