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Contractors Kill Somali Pirate, Prompting Fears of Rise in Violence
Wall Street Journal ^ | 24 Mar 2010 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/24/2010 5:38:53 AM PDT by docbnj

Private security guards shot and killed a Somali pirate during an attack on a merchant ship off the coast of East Africa in what is believed to be the first such killing by armed contractors, the EU Naval Force spokesman said Wednesday.

The death comes amid fears that increasingly aggressive pirates and the growing use of armed private-security contractors aboard vessels could fuel increased violence on the high seas. The handling of the case may have legal implications beyond the individuals involved in Tuesday's shooting.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; gwot; jihad; piracy; pirates; selfdefense; somali; somalia; somalipirates; wot
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The Associated Press writers are totally divorced from the concept of self-defense, or threats and kidnapping, and from any concept of practicality in dealing with violent criminals. Defense is regarded as the problem.

What will really cause violence is if defenders are blamed and prosecuted. Then there is no choice when attacked but to kill all the attackers, and abandon their bodies at sea, without reporting anything. It is weakness which encourages violence. Adequate strength deters violence.

1 posted on 03/24/2010 5:38:53 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

Every ship that sails through those waters should have firepower to blow these thugs out of the water.


2 posted on 03/24/2010 5:40:03 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: docbnj

are the writers insane, or just pro-pirate?

Dead pirates means less violence.


3 posted on 03/24/2010 5:41:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: docbnj

That’s called shoot, sink, and shut up.


4 posted on 03/24/2010 5:42:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: docbnj

damned sheep ... good thing the brave souls on Flight 93 didn’t think that way.


5 posted on 03/24/2010 5:43:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Shut it down" Rush Limbaugh, 3/3/10)
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To: docbnj
Prompting Fears of Rise in Violence

Wow. So now defending yourself is just considered goading the pirates into more violence? Have they tried pouring gasoline on their socks....so the ants don't crawl up and get their candy ass?

6 posted on 03/24/2010 5:44:12 AM PDT by Sax
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To: docbnj
the handling of the "case"

Like all news reports out of the MSM, self-defense is considered a crime, and those who defend themselves should be in prison.

Liberals are evil.

7 posted on 03/24/2010 5:44:31 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: docbnj

You know the Leftist crAP is on the Muslim marine terrorists’ side. They’ll never write a story like that about the terrorists but only the those who defender themselves from terrorism.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 5:45:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: docbnj

If I were to bet on it, I’d say the defenders will be blamed and prosecuted.


9 posted on 03/24/2010 5:45:35 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Diogenesis

“are the writers insane, or just pro-pirate?

Dead pirates means less violence.”

This is like the mainstream media headlines that often read “Crime down despite rise in prison population”. You can tell that the liberals whom write these stories and headlines are genuinely befuddled with the situation.


10 posted on 03/24/2010 5:46:32 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Sax

A contractor doing his job. A dead pirate. Once again, proof that the free market solution works...


11 posted on 03/24/2010 5:46:53 AM PDT by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: docbnj
This is a non-sequitur.

Killing violent criminals results in fewer violent criminals and less violence.

12 posted on 03/24/2010 5:47:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: docbnj

I would be willing to bet that this is the last ship that pirate tries to hijack.


13 posted on 03/24/2010 5:48:08 AM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: docbnj
Kill one pirate, one less pirate. Kill ten pirates, ten less pirates. Kill all the pirates, no more pirates. Seems simple to me.

As a bonus, if you kill all the pirates there will be little recruitment. If the result of your career choice is sudden death, you might reconsider your choices. Even a prospective pirate can understand that.

14 posted on 03/24/2010 5:48:23 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: docbnj

boo hoo /s


15 posted on 03/24/2010 5:48:38 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: docbnj

Screw the AP and their ilk!

These contractors should be commended and their contracts should have performance bonuses written in for the number of pirates and pirate ships/boats killed or sunk. Also the lesser the quantity of ammo used to do the job the bigger the bonus too.


16 posted on 03/24/2010 5:49:29 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: docbnj

It’s their presupposition that is the problem. Their presupposition is that ... “all violence is bad, an increase in violence is bad”

Not all violence is bad. How it is applied can be quite good. I think the AP is run by a bunch of women with masters in education.


17 posted on 03/24/2010 5:50:23 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: docbnj
It is good to see shippers take self defense more seriously. Only by killing the pirates will they be able to do their jobs.

Now watch for some do-gooder liberal to have the victims brought up on criminal charges.

What will really cause violence is if defenders are blamed and prosecuted. Then there is no choice when attacked but to kill all the attackers, and abandon their bodies at sea, without reporting anything.

Not a bad idea!

18 posted on 03/24/2010 5:55:44 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: docbnj

Who prosecutes the ship’s defenders, when the incident happens on the high seas?? Maybe Obama can find a use for Gitmo, after all. He could capture them and send them there.


19 posted on 03/24/2010 6:02:19 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: docbnj

S3 (shoot, sink, shutup)


20 posted on 03/24/2010 6:05:19 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: norwaypinesavage
Who prosecutes the ship’s defenders, when the incident happens on the high seas??

Exactly, they didn't break any country's laws because they weren't in any country.


21 posted on 03/24/2010 6:06:01 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: norwaypinesavage

I believe the “law of the sea” is that pirates can be hanged without trial.


22 posted on 03/24/2010 6:07:32 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: palmer

I disagree somewhat. Pig fat should be used to grease the dead pirate and inserted into various orifices. Film the proceedings. Bury at sea. Post on youtube. Title the film: “Consigned to Hell! No Virgins for Him.”


23 posted on 03/24/2010 6:10:16 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Just forgot the shut up part. Should have just dumped the dead pirate in the drink.


24 posted on 03/24/2010 6:10:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: MrB

It was customary in many countries to hang them in port for all to see. London for one...

http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConNarrative.57/chapterId/998/London-and-the-pirates.html


25 posted on 03/24/2010 6:11:09 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: docbnj

sighted somali, shot same


26 posted on 03/24/2010 6:11:56 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: docbnj
What missing (so far) is the contractors video taping the event(s).. polishing them thru editing and selling the videos for further (maybe greater) profits.. maybe they could provide this service FOR FREE...

Call it............ Pirate Porn...

** maybe trolling the pirates as shark bait.. call it "Pirates Jumping the Shark"... as one episode.. Theres a lot of room for creativity..

27 posted on 03/24/2010 6:12:16 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: docbnj
Blackwater’s pirate-fighting navy has sunk!
28 posted on 03/24/2010 6:12:41 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Are Christians allowed to eat deviled eggs?)
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To: FReepaholic

The pirates will use this as a “recruiting tool”. /sarc


29 posted on 03/24/2010 6:18:41 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: bunkerhill7

Very nice naval reference.


30 posted on 03/24/2010 6:32:39 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: docbnj
“..growing use of armed private-security contractors aboard vessels could fuel increased violence ..”

just the opposite - arming cargo ships will put the pirates out of business as pirates are not brave, but cowards.

31 posted on 03/24/2010 6:39:51 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Diogenesis

Dunno.

Dead pirates might mean that their buddies start hosing down the ship’s superstructure at long range with 14.7 mm HMGs while their zodiacs are closing on the target.

But maybe then, the navies of the world will start wiping out these bastards instead of playing “catch and release.” Or let commercial ships arm themselves with auto-cannon to sink the pirates at long range.

Probably not, though.


32 posted on 03/24/2010 6:41:04 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: bunkerhill7; Pecos
Scratch one ragtop.

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33 posted on 03/24/2010 6:43:32 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: bunkerhill7
sighted somali, shot same

Great! BTTT

34 posted on 03/24/2010 6:53:25 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: docbnj

Idiotic headline of the day!

I hate liberals.....


35 posted on 03/24/2010 7:01:56 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: MrB

re: pirates can be hanged without trial

There are few ‘laws’ or understandings that are more widely known or as universally accepted as the defense of a ship at sea. The handling of horse thieves in the Wild West is similar, but the policy on pirates to back much longer!

After such an incident the ship should sail into its next stop with the severed heads of the pirates hanging from it railing.


36 posted on 03/24/2010 7:07:48 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Sax
Prompting Fears of Rise in Violence

Wow. So now defending yourself is just considered goading the pirates into more violence?


Well in the short term there will be a whole bunch of violence as the pirates get blown out of the water. Because Liberals are literal they don't understand the concept of defensive violence. Sometimes to defend your life or property it is right and proper that violence be employed. For the vast majority on this site that statement is so obvious that it never needs to actually be put into words. For a liberal any violence is bad so even defending yourself is a crime.
37 posted on 03/24/2010 7:12:19 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: LonePalm
Scratch one ragtop.

If those darn pirates put a scratch in my ragtop they are going to get hung for sure. Oh wait you meant.... Never mind.
38 posted on 03/24/2010 7:14:18 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: docbnj
Crews are becoming increasingly adept at repelling attacks by pirates in the dangerous waters of the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden.

LOL!! It's called shooting back...works every time, but it remains a mystery to those in our Fourth Estate.

39 posted on 03/24/2010 7:16:05 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Diogenesis

In obama like fashion they think that submitting to enemies is the way to make friends.

A dead enemy is not an enemy


40 posted on 03/24/2010 7:37:44 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: docbnj

AP is the American Pravda. Nothing but communist propaganda.


41 posted on 03/24/2010 7:45:05 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: docbnj
The death comes amid fears that increasingly aggressive pirates and the growing use of armed private-security contractors aboard vessels could fuel increased violence on the high seas. The handling of the case may have legal implications beyond the individuals involved in Tuesday's shooting.

Unsoak your panties, girly-men. Piracy ALWAYS involves violence, and defending against piracy ALWAYS involves violence.

42 posted on 03/24/2010 7:47:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Little Ray

You don’t get ransom if your cargo is toast and your crew is bleeding. I don’t think there is any danger of the pirates “escalating” the violence . . . especially the pirate who was killed.


43 posted on 03/24/2010 7:52:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: GonzoGOP
Sometimes to defend your life or property it is right and proper that violence be employed.

That's why we have a second amendment.

44 posted on 03/24/2010 8:06:06 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Pollster1

Just one possibility. The pirates have the resources to escalate. Whether or not they will, and whether or not piracy will remain profitable if they do escalate remain to be determined.
You’re right: I don’t know how they could move the cargoes and ships if they couldn’t ransom them. But given their organization, I wouldn’t be surprised if they started hiring brokers...


45 posted on 03/24/2010 8:57:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: docbnj

Same bunch of bed-wetting wusses who denounce our Second Amendment. When these pirates meet superior firepower they will have a rude awakening. Too bad the navies in the region don’t deal with them as in olden days - pirates would soon learn it is not profitable to remain in their line of work.


46 posted on 03/24/2010 9:01:11 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: docbnj

I’d be proactive and sink every boat in that toilet bowl known as the coast of Somalia.


47 posted on 03/24/2010 9:14:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Little Ray
You’re right: I don’t know how they could move the cargoes and ships if they couldn’t ransom them. But given their organization, I wouldn’t be surprised if they started hiring brokers...

Brokers don't have much interest in food, clothing, or electronics that are saturated with salt water. If the pirates escalate to bigger weapons, they're going to be letting water flow to the wrong side of the ship's hull, and the cargo will be worthless. I think forcing them to escalate to a shootout with a real navy is an excellent alternative compared with paying them for committing piracy.

48 posted on 03/24/2010 9:31:53 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

Ships have value even with with bullet holes in them.

Even if a relatively large amount of damage is inflicted on the ship a substantial part of the cargo will be intact, esp. if fire is directed at the superstructure rather than the hull.

The problem is not intact cargo, but finding customers.

Also, if the pirates actually do shoot hell out of a merchant ship at long range, how many other merchants are going to continue resisting?


49 posted on 03/24/2010 10:15:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Even a prospective pirate can understand that.

Don't bet on it.

For the most part if these scum had any native intelligence they wouldn't still be living in the seventh century.

50 posted on 03/24/2010 10:33:48 AM PDT by dearolddad
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