Skip to comments.DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL: Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers' (On Drudge now)
Posted on 03/17/2010 1:08:24 PM PDT by rxsid
On Drudge now, right side column...
"DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL: Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'... "
"Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'
HONOLULU (AP) - Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.
As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama's birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.
"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health's Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.
So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.
Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.
But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.
A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they're told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.
Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.
"Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?" asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. "When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'"
Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.
Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.
If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and restrict rights to government records for two years.
The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele."
Then no further Hawaiians shall be eligible for the presidency.
"DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL: Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'... " story linked on Drudge.
I don’t care what Hawaii does, our only responsibility to to see to it that our States are enforcing the Constitution as far as their responsibility and capability’s go.
To that end I am in full agreement with the State of Arizona in allowing anyone who wishes to run for president to prove their eligibility to state officials before being allowed on the State’s ballot and thus eledgable for the State electorate to vote for.
It does not and should not matter to us if other states want to throwaway their electors. We are not and can not be held responsible for their choices only that of our own.
“Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.”
Then print and publish the birth certificate and amazingly enough you will stop getting these requests, regardless of the place of birth may be.
"DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL: Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama 'birthers'... " story linked on Drudge."
Some do, but I bet most fall into the camp that he isn't a Natural Born Citizen simply by the fact he wasn't born to two citizen parents. A legal loophole not all that different than the one that prompted congress to act on McCain's NBC status due to his Canal Zone birth.
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
It can't. Of course not. Yet, right there, on his campaign web site F.T.S., it's stated that a foreign government "governed" Barry from birth and the reason it did, was that Barry inherited that foreign citizenship by way of his foreign national father (no matter where he was born). Assuming, of course, that Sr. was his legal father at birth.
How, then, could he possibly be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.?
Barry Soetoro, the divided citizen at birth!
Furthermore: Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate based on the word of 1 relative. That is how a foreign born baby could get a HI BC on record, which in turn generates the "birth announcements" in the newspapers.
I wouldn't exactly call this an overwhelming flood of requests for a well-staffed state bureaucracy to deal with. What's that, between 1 and 3 emails per day? Golly, gee, that really overhwhelms them with work!
And an email costs nothing to answer. Maybe one precious minute of a staffer's time.
Moreover, the "repeat" offenders are probably mostly those seeking not the BC itself, but seeking legitimate information, which the department is obliged to provide by law.
"New photographs of Obama's childhood in Indonesia emerge...
That link goes here...
"Meet the 'chubby boy with the curly hair': New photographs of Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia emerge
Grinning happily at the camera, this is Barry Soetoro, the cherubic little boy who went on to become America's first black president.
The charming images taken at a child's birthday party in Jakarta 40 years ago were released as Indonesia prepares to welcome Barack Obama back to the country for the first time since he became president.
The Asia-Pacific tour will also take in Australia and Guam and has been described as an 'extremely important trip' involving 'important partners', a White House spokesman said."
I hate how the media says birthers don’t believe Obama was born in the US. Seems like we would be happy to see proof one way or the other..
People want to verify the eligibility of the president—from his long form birth certificate, to his college grades, dissertations, papers authored, etc. so that we can make an informed decision whether he belongs in the most powerful position in the world..
That Obama head looks like its photoshopped.I don’t believe any Obama photos I see from over 10 years ago.
Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.
Well send the bill to bammy, its his intransigence that is causing you to loose money.
Thank you. That so many fail to understand the “natural born citizen” requirement just “blows me away” - a Michigan thing.
He can’t and never will meet the NBC requirement, Hawaii birth or not.
Then no further Hawaiians shall be eligible for my tourism dollars.
wouldnt it be easier to just show the dang certificate?
My question to Gibbsy just now is Obama knew he used another name and did not place it on his license to practice law? Felony!
My question to Gibbsy just now is Obama knew he used another name and did not place it on his license to practice law? Felony!
Um how about a lack of evidence being, well, a lack of evidence?
Did the gov. of Hawaii say Barry was a natual born citizen?
My “birther” comment is that he chose to run for the office so the onus is on him to prove that he’s eligible. The onus isn’t on Orly Taitz or anyone else to prove he’s not, especially since the only source of the proof is the document that Hawaii won’t release.
Until I see an authentic long-form birth certificate with a doctor’s name and the hospital info I won’t consider him my president. He’s just a guy that lives in that house.
Good one, Fred Nerks. The picture looks like those boards they had at fun fairs, where you just place your head on top of a board with an image on it.
Of course, she is fully qualified to make such a statement (that wasn't under oath), knowing full well that he was born the subject of her majesty, Queen of England.
Barry Soetoro lived in Jakarta, Indonesia from 1967-71, right after the bloodiest civil war in Indonesian history, which took place from 1965-67. The Indonesian Communist Party, the PKI, had millions killed during that civil war.
General Sukarno’s party had sent Lolo to Hawaii to get a graduate degree, where he met Ann Dunham. Dunham knew that she and Lolo were protected by powerful political forces until something happened when Barry was about 10 years old. Something that would make NGOs working in the area that Barry would have to be removed immediately because his life was in jeopardy.
1) Lolo Soetoro, a Colonel in the Indonesia Army under General Sukarno, adopted Barack Hussein Obama II.
2) Barry Soetoro, with his new dad and mom, moved to Indonesia to be a part of a Indonesian family living, working and receiving an education with the all rights and privileges a military officer and his family expected under the dictatorship of General Sukarno.
3) Since Barry was living in Indonesia and planned to live there permanently, he applied to the US Embassy for a Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN). Contrary to popular belief, if any American moves out of the country and sets up a household with a military officer of a foreign dictatorship, the US SoS doesnt make it difficult to renounce your US Citizenship. Proof of Barrys Indonesian citizenship is in his 2nd grade school record.
4) Barry was identified as an orphaned or abandoned refugee and provided expedited travel papers and transportation back to his American grandparents in 1971-72. Barrys refugee status explains his Connecticut SSN. An American Refugee Organization (ARO) from Connecticut working with the US DoS arranged for Barry to receive his SSN card through their mailing address as an legal alien.
Yes, Barry is a legal alien and Indonesian National.
5) Someone financed a trip for Barack Obama, SR. to come back to Hawaii and appear in Hawaii District Court to complain Barry was adopted without his consent. After the Court voided the Soetoro adoption, the Court ordered a new vital record to be created and filed by the Hawaii DoH stating the facts we know as the online FTS COLB. The Court did not see fit to name a doctor, hospital or administrator. All other information was Court Ordered, i.e. fathers race as African was from a culturally sensitive Judge and not a CDC recommended classification of race.
6) Barry Soetoro became persona non grata. Legally speaking, BHO II is technically correct when he says he has never been Barry Soetoro. But his nationality, regardless of the name change, is Indonesian.
7) His CLN is on file with the DoS, DHS, IRS and FBI.
sheesh, that is so fake.
It's much more than that though. Even if he were born in HI, a determination would need to be made that someone born a subject to a foreign crown (in Barry's case, that would be Great Britain), could in fact be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.
Sure does look odd.
So, let me get this straight... they had camera in Indonesia at birthday parties but the Stanley Anne, her parents, her friends, family, none of them had cameras to take pictures of their newborn first son, grandchild. mmmhmmmm rigggggghhhtttt.
I believe the point of those who follow the NBC path as defined by Vattel’s “Laws of Nations” (in which much of the legal definitions in the Constitution were based), it doesn’t matter what is in the Birth Certificate. To be a Natural Born Citizen, he has to be born to two citizen parents so he doesn’t have dual national loyalties.
With this route, all the fuss about the BC is unnecessary- there just needs to be a high enough ruling to officially define O’s NBC status in this case.
This path doesn’t need any of the weird conspiracies, contrived document experts, or fraudsters searching around Kenya for a BC- it just needs a court with jurisdiction to rule on the matter.
There are actually closer to an average of 1-2 requests per week for anything directly related to Obama, according to the DOH’s response to a request for all the UIPA requests made in an 18-month period.
And money is obviously their concern - since they refuse to use e-mail to answer requests for index data and instead insist on the copying costs and processing time required by snail-mail. /sarc
You are correct about the “repeat offenders”. And the DOH has deleted from the communications history my e-mails which show that I was requesting something required by law to be released that they refused to give me even while saying they had already given me it.
The Obama head in the second picture, not the one in your post, looks totally faked. Not even photoshopped, more like cut out and pasted.
Sven — your source for the statement in #7?
Is there any documentation that can be made public regarding what you say?
The Constitutional issue needs to be resolved, no doubt about that.
But without a valid BC we can’t even conclusively say that BHO Sr was ever legally claimed to be his dad. We have to have a BC before anything can happen.
And the actual facts surrounding Obama’s Hawaii birth records show that crimes have been committed by both Obama and Hawaii government officials. There is no “made-up conspiracy”. There IS actual documented crime. Regardless of what happens with Obama himself or with the Constitutional issue, the law enforcement aspect of this is vital to be addressed - especially since both the media and law enforcement were absolutely complicit in covering up these crimes.
I support pushing the Constitutional aspect of this issue.
I also support pushing the law enforcement aspect of this issue.
The two actually go hand in hand. We need each other, and when the supporters of either focus belittles the other it only serves Obama’s purposes. We need both.
bttt for later read
The picture taken on Jan. 21, 2009 shows a combined photo of the past and the present United States President Barack Obama and his schoolmates at SDN Menteng 01 elementary school where U.S. President Barack Obama studied during his time in Indonesia in Jakarta
Third-grade photo capture's [sic] Obama's grin (3rd grade in Hawaii?) Honolulu Star Bulletin ^ | 01:30 a.m. HST, Dec 28, 2009 | Patt Gee Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:19:31 AM by Ready4Freddy Edited on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:28:18 AM by Jim Robinson. [history]
Can you see what I see? The adult shown on the bottom of the top image supposedly the little asian boy now all grown up, is the same person as the one holding the image of himself and zero - captioned Scott and Barry, 1969...taken around Christmas.
But Scott Inoue never mentions he was in Indonesia as a boy. Very very curious...
I believe this is an issue that must be addressed by the individual states since the current Congress will do nothing about it.
If states begin passing laws that election results may only be certified with the presentation of proper legal documents (certified copies of long form birth certificates - possibly also college transcripts and medical records), then frauds like Obammy could be stopped at the state level.
Hopefully state congressional members will begin drafting such legislation to keep this kind of travesty from happening again.
Was he born in Kenya or the US, then? Would seem the US if he did have US citizenship prior to renouncing it.
We should all agree with the CommiecRATs that the released COLB forgery, is a true bc. It shows Dad to be Barack Hussein Obama, therefor Junior is NOT a Natural Born Citizen and is the Resident, not the President
I liked my post so much I posted twice I see.
Now I am posting to myself. Hee!
I'm wondering if perhaps he was actually born in Hawaii but to a different biological father. It would help to explain why he doesn't give a crap about any of his African "relatives."
There's also the argument the he may have been born in Washington or Vancouver, BC because of the timing of Stanley Ann's enrollment in college up there.
Bottom line: The American people deserve to know what the truth is.
I see what you see.
The boy in the Hawaii 3rd grade picture with Barry looks remarkably like the boy in the grade school picture in Indonesia with Barry.
The ears are the same....same facial shape??????(and no, I am not racist and do not think all Asians look alike)
What are the odds that this same kid went to school in Hawaii and Indonesia with Barry.
IF that is the same kid, someone or everyone is lying and or covering up something.
Ann Sutoro (left) and her close friend Kay Ikranagara in 1975 at their childrens bilingual play group in Jakarta.
Sutoro earned a Ph.D. in anthropology from the University of Hawaii in 1992 but lived mainly in Indonesia from 1967 to 1994. Obama spent about four years in Jakarta before moving back to live with his grandparents in Hawaii.
Are we expected to believe that the woman with Kay Ikranagara is Stanley Ann Dunham/Sutoro...and that their children attended the same playgroup in 1975?
Indeed, that would be a great first step. Who would be against such verification? Only extreme party hacks and illegals perhaps.
However...that doesn't address the issue of who constitutes a "Natural Born Citizen" as intended by the framers when they wrote that requirement in. I, personally, have no doubt they intended an NBC to be one born in country to two citizen parents.
If Barry is forced to show his HI long form B.C. (assuming he has one), and Sr. is listed as his legal father...the ultimate question remains (which such state laws wouldn't address): Can someone born the subject to a foreign crown/government (inherited from one or both parents), no matter what U.S. state they were born in, could such a person be considered a NBC for A2;S1;C5 purposes?
Maybe I’m not following what you mean, but one image is simply an enlargement of the other...
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