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Clinic: Cancer Patient Who Wrote to Obama Will Not Lose Home, May Get Aid
fox | 3/16/10 | staff

Posted on 03/16/2010 11:12:36 AM PDT by Nachum

Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece of President Obama's push for health care reform, will not lose her home over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her told FoxNews.com.

Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece of President Obama's push for health care reform, will not lose her home over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her told FoxNews.com.

Though Canfield's sister Connie Anderson said her sibling is afraid she'll lose her house and Obama warned at an Ohio rally Monday that the patient is "racked with worry" about the cost of tests and treatment, she is already being screened for financial help.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cancer; clinic; dnctalkingpoints; lyingliar; missinglink; natomacanfield; notbreakingnews; obama; obamalied; obamalies; patient; photoops; pravdamedia; prop

1 posted on 03/16/2010 11:12:36 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Could she not qualify for Medicaid?


2 posted on 03/16/2010 11:14:43 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Nachum

There’s another vote for Obambi

so how much TARP money is left???


3 posted on 03/16/2010 11:15:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Mr. K

Sounds like Bummer made some phone calls and some welfare agencies got on the ball.


4 posted on 03/16/2010 11:17:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Nachum

Hard to tell for sure, but it sounds like the existing system was working fine for her. She wasn’t going to lose her home, but she was worried about the possibility. Worried for nothing, perhaps. Now we learn that she is not in danger of losing her home — but it’s not clear to me that anything suddenly occurred (i.e. Obama’s spotlight did not result in any sort of good Samaritan rescue). Basically, she was a prop. A misleading prop.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 11:19:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: Nachum

The Democrats love to tell sad stories about people without insurance (who apparently don’t know that the law forbids hospitals to deny them treatment, with or without insurance), but what the Democrats don’t say is how their reform bill would protect them. They operate on the unproven premise that they have the remedy. WHY WON’T THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT’S IN THE BILL? Is it because they know the answers aren’t there, or is it because they don’t know what’s in it at all?


6 posted on 03/16/2010 11:20:49 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Nachum
I saw her on CBS in her hospital bed. She was sitting up in bed and could talk. She wasn't having oxygen or anything. Her voice was crystal clear. Her hospital room looked nice and clean (The Cleveland Clinic). This woman knew the media was going to interview her. If someone is on their deathbed, they cannot sit up and speak. She got her 15 minutes of fame but unfortunately, she's caught up in BHO's lying ways for the rest of her life.

BHO is focusing on cancer to scare people. The tonsillitis and diabetes wasn't scary enough and he showed his ignorance discussing those and also his ignorance re: asthma.

7 posted on 03/16/2010 11:21:03 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Charlie Crist said about the summit, ..."I don't think a lot..." What else is new?)
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To: Nachum
The clinic she's in has a charity that's paying for everything, and because of that she's not going to lose anything. This woman has the best medical care in the world without her or anyone else paying a penny.

Boy, Oboma picked the wong "victim" this time! What an as$.

8 posted on 03/16/2010 11:26:58 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

The “messiah” has touched one of his own./S


9 posted on 03/16/2010 11:27:23 AM PDT by Marty62 ( Marty62)
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To: Nachum

why would she have a mortgage on a house she has lived in for 50 years?


10 posted on 03/16/2010 11:28:07 AM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Spok

Depending on who you ask, negotiations are ongoing or not ongoing. A position statement given five minutes ago may no longer be valid in this crazy Congress.

Nancy-poo is basically telling the country to trust her and Harry, they’ll “do the right thing” even if they can’t say what the right thing is. This might pass muster if you’re regulating the commerce in snapping turtles, but this is our bodies and minds she’s talking about. Get it wrong and you hurt us from the word go. Sorry, after the bounteous load of BS you’ve heaped on us, we don’t even trust them to stick a tongue depressor in our mouth and look at our throat. They might not remember to use a new one.


11 posted on 03/16/2010 11:31:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Nachum

This is not my field of expertise...not by a long shot. So maybe I am missing something obvious, but here is a portion of her letter to 0bama, with facts I find incomprehensible:

“Last year (2009) my insurance premium was increased over 25% even though I increased my deductible and out of pocket to the highest limits available. I paid out over $6075.24 in premiums, $2415.26 for medical care, $225 in co-pays and $1500 for prescriptions. I never reached my deductible of $2500 so the insurance company only paid out a total $935.32 to my providers.

I must repeat, in 2009 my insurance company received $6075.24 in premiums and paid out only $935.32!”

Would it not be more economical to have put that $6075.24 into some other account, where it would grow or be available for medical expenses? Would the expenses not have been even less if she’d been completely self-pay? (Every nurse I’ve ever discussed it with, said there’s a huge discount for cash on the barrelhead.)


12 posted on 03/16/2010 11:31:40 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: concerned about politics

Most people will see it as Bummer having shaken things loose. The hospital isn’t going to crow about its program for understandable reasons.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 11:32:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Spok

load of BS you’ve heaped on us => load of BS they’ve heaped on us


14 posted on 03/16/2010 11:33:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Hoodat

Maybe she took out a Second Mortgage, or maybe she’s in danger of losing her house for non payment of Property Taxes?


15 posted on 03/16/2010 11:35:03 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Hoodat

Maybe she took out a Second Mortgage, or maybe she’s in danger of losing her house for non payment of Property Taxes?


16 posted on 03/16/2010 11:35:14 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Nachum

Hell, that’s not much to pay for one vote.


17 posted on 03/16/2010 11:35:59 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
(Every nurse I’ve ever discussed it with, said there’s a huge discount for cash on the barrelhead.)

Please pardon me if this is tangential (I'm taking the above as your comment, not the woman's comment) but if you have no applicable insurance and go in to a doctor's office and have to pay retail, how do you go about getting this "cash" discount when the bookkeeper isn't there and they just send you a bill? I've seen insurance benefit statements and they have tremendous leverage upon providers, sometimes getting them to settle for maybe a third of their retail prices.

18 posted on 03/16/2010 11:38:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: massgopguy

Yeah, I suspect a home equity line of credit, being used to help pay the medical bills that her enrolled program doesn’t pay.


19 posted on 03/16/2010 11:39:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Would it not be more economical to have put that $6075.24 into some other account, where it would grow or be available for medical expenses?

We've paid thousands every month (from the first day we started working years ago) for health insurace and only used it for child birth. One of my kids came home with strep throat once, but we have a $200 deductable, so we paid cash for that anyway.
Had we banked our money, we'd be pretty rich right now.

Buy major medical and bank the rest. Most of the time you'll have to pay for other services with cash anyway. We learned that lesson the expensive way.

20 posted on 03/16/2010 11:41:29 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum

Where’s the link?


21 posted on 03/16/2010 11:42:38 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Nachum
Fox reported this yesterday. This is not breaking news:

In Desperation, Obama Exploits Cancer Patient Natoma Canfield to Sell Obamacare...and Lies About Her

22 posted on 03/16/2010 11:48:29 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Nachum

If Obama and his minions say it, you know it’s a lie.


23 posted on 03/16/2010 11:56:21 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Nachum

Did she get her free Obama t-shirt yet?


24 posted on 03/16/2010 11:57:34 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Hoodat

I know that if you go into a nursing home, they can take your house and other assets - perhaps it is because of that.


25 posted on 03/16/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama Logic: Global Warming causes blizzards, and deficit spending balances budgets.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

She had insurance until she got tired of paying for it and dropped it. Then she expects a handout a couple of months later when she gets sick. I’m sorry she got cancer but she dropped her insurance, not me.


26 posted on 03/16/2010 12:15:54 PM PDT by pgkdan (I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: RockinRight
I know that if you go into a nursing home, they can take your house and other assets - perhaps it is because of that.

Under Oboma Death Care, they'd do the same thing, only they'd do it long before you got sick.

27 posted on 03/16/2010 12:17:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: floriduh voter
Her hospital room looked nice and clean (The Cleveland Clinic).

Nice. If she's at the Cleveland Clinic being treated for cancer she's probably getting just about the best care in the world!

28 posted on 03/16/2010 12:17:44 PM PDT by pgkdan (I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That’s the way insurance works. When you’re well and not running up a lot of medical bills it seems like an expensive waste of money. Once you get sick and it starts paying you realize what it’s worth. I have no sympathy for this woman;s financial plight. She caused it herself.


29 posted on 03/16/2010 12:21:23 PM PDT by pgkdan (I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: pgkdan
She had insurance until she got tired of paying for it and dropped it.

So she started voting for democrats because she knew they'd steal her neighbors pay check to pay for it.
Gosh. What a sweet lady. (/s)

30 posted on 03/16/2010 12:21:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: pgkdan
I have no sympathy for this woman;s financial plight. She caused it herself.

Yet she's trying to make us look like the bad guys for not paying her bills for her.
How can anyone vote democrat and admit it in public?

31 posted on 03/16/2010 12:27:42 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
No, the hospital where she is being treated had probably submitted her application for Medicare while she continued to be treated. There was probably no lapse in her treatment and she probably gets the finest care in the world at no cost to her.

"commander zero" says that's no good enough. The a$$ is a shameless liar.

32 posted on 03/16/2010 12:30:18 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Eagles6

Mm Mm Mm so Bummer did stick his pedal appendage in his os.


33 posted on 03/16/2010 12:31:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Again.


34 posted on 03/16/2010 12:43:23 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/15/clinic-cancer-patient-wrote-obama-lose-home-aid/


35 posted on 03/16/2010 12:55:57 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Would it not be more economical to have put that $6075.24 into some other account, where it would grow or be available for medical expenses?

It would, if you could be sure you might never need the coverage. What insurance does is mitigate risk. You premiums are the reflection of the actual cost of claims payment for your type of policy, to your age group, in your location.

In most states (I am in California) health insurance companies are required to pay out a minimum of 70% of all premium collected in claims. The average profit margin for these companies are between 2 and 5%, which is in low. Medicare is less efficient, has much more fraud and waste, and pays your doctors, the hospitals and other providers much less than the actual cost of service.

Guess who has to make up the difference?

36 posted on 03/16/2010 1:01:18 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Hoodat
:why would she have a mortgage on a house she has lived in for 50 years?

If you refinance to pull cash out every 5-10 years you never pay it off.

37 posted on 03/16/2010 2:36:25 PM PDT by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Could she not qualify for Medicaid?

Exactly why obamacare will not work either.

38 posted on 03/16/2010 2:47:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Risk is expensive. Especially some particular risks. That’s a free market operating, when you pay someone else to take your risk.


39 posted on 03/16/2010 3:36:46 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Nachum

Folks,

Republicans can destroy the health care reform bill right now if they will stress this message: By immediately raising taxes, this bill will sink our already struggling economy.

If media-prominent Republicans emphasize that single crystallized point, the political pressure on wavering Democrats in the House to vote no will increase enormously. Factually, the bill legislates massive new taxes on personal incomes and on medical devices & services: all of which go into effect immediately upon the bill’s passage. RAISING TAXES DURING A RECESSION will obviously hurt the economy. (Which is why Democrats have not dared attempt a tax increase despite controlling both chambers of congress.) So as unpopular as this ugly bill already is, it can be made much more so with simple clarion emphasis that: this bill is instant poison to our ailing economy.

The American people already hate what the bill stands for (the rotten substance of the bill) as well as they hate the corrupt process that has produced it. Now it needs to be branded into the national psyche that passage of the bill will straightaway cause personal financial harm to everyone. The ball game will be over if Republicans will simply apply immense pressure to that one crippling point. (They can use the new CBO numbers coming out on the reconciliation/fix-it bill as a fresh predicate to sound the alarm.)

Imagine variations of the following sound bites issued from someone like John Boehner: “If the Health Care Takeover Bill becomes law, our taxes instantly go up, and it will make one of the worst recessions we’ve ever experienced much worse. Everyone knows you don’t raise taxes during a recession.” Or how about: “There’s something else Democrats aren’t telling the American people about this bill – which is that it suddenly raises taxes in the middle of a recession. And you can’t do that and expect the economy to recover.” Did you feel that? Those were the scales tipping in the House. That was wavering House Democrats quietly sliding into the “no” category by the handful.

Note that this is not the same as arguing that the added deficits this bill is certain to generate will be unsustainable in the long run. That’s the “Generational Theft” message which has been lucidly conveyed and has resonated with the American public. Yes, severe concern has been raised… about the future. But the argument that the bill will also do serious harm to TODAY’S jobs and to TODAY’S fragile economy has yet to be forcefully made. – And this is the checkmate move that is needed during the endgame this week.


40 posted on 03/16/2010 5:00:44 PM PDT by Presto (Liberalsim is nonsense on stilts.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

A very good prop. Kooch is changing his vote now?


41 posted on 03/17/2010 5:33:42 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: Nachum

Everyone having to deal with medical crises are racked with worry. It appears that this woman is no different, and most likely much better off, than many. She still has her house, her medical bills will be paid, she’s being cared for in an excellent facility.

What I find exceedingly strange is that she says she never reached her deductible of 2k. Every single year (4) that I underwent cancer treatment I met my deductible in January.


42 posted on 03/17/2010 5:38:32 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

Furthermore, she’s being treated at the Cleveland Clinic, a place that she’d never make it to under Obamacare.


43 posted on 03/17/2010 5:39:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Good point. Wonder if Obamacare will allow us to call in the world’s top brain surgeon from Duke for needed surgery just when he’s about to go on a Canadian vacation ala Ted Kennedy?


44 posted on 03/17/2010 5:42:59 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: ClearCase_guy

They are covering this here in Cleveland. She was already assigned a financial counselor, the hospital she is being treated at doesn’t place lien’s on homes for bills (they could, but they choose not too), she most likely is eligible for medicaid (but had not sought assistance soon enough).

Basically it sounds to me she didn’t know how to navigate the government bureaucracy to get the help she needed. The hospital is the one that actually provided her with the counseling and advocate she needed. She will need to apply for SS disability in order to get medicaid.

If anything she demonstrates the already existing difficulty in dealing with the government systems.


45 posted on 03/17/2010 5:46:03 AM PDT by EBH (There is a bell ringing. Is it for Freedom or a Death Knell?)
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To: EBH

Good point.


46 posted on 03/17/2010 5:48:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I pay cash on the day of services. Discount 60%. No bill sent to my home. All offices I’ve ever been to are able to take my payment that day. General practitioner, hospital, even the surgery center was able to take my payment that day.


47 posted on 03/17/2010 5:52:05 AM PDT by EBH (There is a bell ringing. Is it for Freedom or a Death Knell?)
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To: RockinRight
I know that if you go into a nursing home, they can take your house and other assets - perhaps it is because of that.

So if you go into a nursing home, you are not suppose to pay your own way?

Are your assets supposed to be saved up for your children?

48 posted on 03/17/2010 7:47:45 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: mckenzie7

Some believe that, not saying I do, but I was just pointing out what could have been the case.


49 posted on 03/17/2010 8:06:03 AM PDT by RockinRight (Obama Logic: Global Warming causes blizzards, and deficit spending balances budgets.)
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To: Nachum

Someday soon when some poor soul dies of one of the myriad maladies
mortal humans suffer from...
some people will be saying:

“Where was Obama?”

Some people seem to have already turned Obama into, at the least,
a small g-d.


50 posted on 03/17/2010 8:08:11 AM PDT by VOA
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