Was it this guy?
Posted on 03/13/2010 6:34:10 PM PST by marktwain
When we first met ATF Special Agent Kelven Crenshaw, he was telling KOINlocal6, Portland, that a shipment of toy guns the agency had seized could be "easily retro-fitted into dangerous weapons":
"With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun," Crenshaw said.
To prove his credentials as a professional firearms expert, Crenshaw proceeded to insert a magazine backwards—on video. Click here to watch and pay attention at at the 1:17 mark.
In my March 9 follow-up on this story, I mentioned a related three-part series at Pajamas Media by writer Bob Owens. Click the respective links for parts one, two and three. The whole thing is just excellent, but something he said in his last installment really caught my attention:
This is apparently the same Special Agent Kelven Crenshaw that ATF whistleblower site Cleanup ATF says is a former assistant director demoted and moved for incompetence, reprisals against his own employees, and regulation violations.
Regular readers will remember CleanUp ATF. They're a group of "whistleblowing" bureau insiders who are trying to draw attention to incompetence and corruption. I've cited them a few times as yet another basis for demanding oversight hearings to establish personal accountability for those responsible for abuses--and asked why the "mainstream press" is apparently uninterested.
So what's CleanUpATF's beef with Special Agent Crenshaw? Here's what they say:
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
The ATF ain’t the FBI, and the FBI ain’t what it was.
Pass this on to your friends FReepers......woohoo
First, replace the upper receiver with an M4 upper receiver. Then, replace the lower receiver with an M4 lower receiver. It's that simple.
He should be REQUIRED to demonstrate his statement in COURT and when he cannot, and we all know he cannot, lock him up for LIFE.
The scary thing is that they let this idiot carry a gun!
After the mods, he should be forced to pull the trigger or admit in full view of the public that he lied and the reason he lied, the people that where involved and then locked up for a very very long time.
K/Crenshaw is an affirmative action clown working for an agency filled with cowboy wannabe morons who couldn’t police their way out of a wet paper bag.
The FBI have been over rated for about 30 years. Gee, that would be about the time affirmative action kicked in. What a coincidence.
You are probably a “gun expert” but I call BS on your claim that you can take a upper and a lower receiver and turn an airsoft into a “fully funtional” M4.
What cracks me up is that if somebody has an M4, first of all they have the required permit for a select fire weapon, right? Well why in heck would they build an M4 around an airsoft gun? Why not do what everybody else does who builds AR’s and build the gun around the lower receiver (which requires paperwork to buy, unlike the toy airsoft guns)
I don’t see any logic in what you are claiming. Please explain why somebody would build an AR out of an airsoft gun?!
Read my post again.
OK, your telling me I am thinking slow tonight, I’m ignorant or whatever.
Or maybe you were being sarcastic about the stupidity of this whole idea.
Just the fact you’re on a gun thread/post I like you but help me out here, maybe there is something about airsofts I don’t know. (Tippman paintballer all the way, never tried airsoft)
Was it this guy?
Just to help you out. What Real Saxophonist is saying in quite simple:
When you replace both the upper and lower on a rife, you have replaced the entire rifle - those are all the components.
He was being sarcastic....
I got a good laugh out of it though. LOL
Basically, you take the top end of an M4 and toss away the airsoft upper assembly. Then you take a lower end of an M4 and toss away the airsoft lower... basically, you remove the entire airsoft toy from the picture and just put in a real M4 rifle.
I said it in another post, and I’ll say it here. We in the industry will not accept a ruling based on the modification of this toy to a gun UNLESS an agent puts the gun to his shoulder and fires one full 30 round magazine of US military spec ammunition (M855) though it. We will not accept another Bob Stewart BS “it fired a primed cartridge”. Real ammo or it doesn’t fly folks. BATFE has lost all credibility with the industry and they continue to dig that hole deeper. For once, people like James P. Vann should take the high road and put his anti-gun agenda away. He’s trampled all over the Constitution enough. How about staying within the confines and the spirit of the law???
I commend the folks over at cleanupatf.org for what they are trying to accomplish. Given how the BATFE has treated others who have tried to clean up the agency in the past, the guys over there trying to do it now clang when they walk and they have my utmost respect.
Thanks, I thought about it for awhile and came to that conclusion. He couldn’t take the time for the sarc tag for guys like me....LOL
Thank you too, appreciate it. Man I do feel slow sometimes.
BATF: I still remember that idiot’s negligent discharge while “instructing” students and claiming he was the only one “qualified” in the room....shooting himself in the leg or foot.
He’s basically saying “if you replace the airsoft gun with a real one...”
LOL / RotF / LOL!!
Awesome picture.
Thats okay, the best thing about the gun guys on FR - they know their sh*t so well they can have a little fun!
“Thats okay, the best thing about the gun guys on FR - they know their sh*t so well they can have a little fun!”
Yeah, and I get too serious about this stuff. Drives me nuts.
On a lighter note, did just get in some LC M852 and looking forward to seeing how it groups.
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