Posted on 02/23/2010 5:58:17 AM PST by Ravnagora
This is the default argument from most denialist Croats, if they're Jews they must be communists since they can't play the fascist card due to their obvious history so they pull out the commie canard.
It's all they've got in their arsenal, then they hide behind the Vatican in support of Pius XII knowing they can get a free ride on the coattails of the manufactured ant-Catholic argumentation.
More revisionism, thanks.
What surprises me regarding the rabid Catholic response to this is that they conveniently overlook the death of their fellow Catholics.
Our contention is not with our fellow Christians in the Catholic Church and their devotion to Christ but rather with the Papacy whose behavior regarding the protection of war criminals which was ant-Christian.
Precisely!
You 're welcome, iopscusa. I wish that it weren't so. I wished that it had never happened -- but it did. In the absence of that, I really wish that the Vatican would just acknowledge it, genuinely apologize for it and promise that it will never tolerate such horrors again from its clergy and adherents, and then we could all forgive and move on -- as Christians.
But this denial is hurting everyone, as the wound keeps getting opened, prodded and polluted over and over again.
I’m amazed at how the historic flashpoints such as the intersection of Islam and the Christian World continue to boil onto the global stage, just as these ancient hatreds seem to infect all Balkan threads right here on FR...
With the possible exception of a hatred of Christians for Islamists who conquered them and kept them enslaved for 400 years, these hatreds really are NOT "ancient" -- that's a Western myth intended to make ALL the ethnicities of that area look like "subhuman barbarians who can't help themselves". It's nonsense.
Virtually all the enmity between the the Balkan ethnicities is only about 100 years old, and most of it was (and continues to be) sponsored from outside the Balkans -- from Germany in the West and from Iran & Saudi Arabia in the ME.
This website makes an interesting historical connection between the defeat WWII Nazism and today's rising Islamofascism.
The website has a list of high ranking German Nazis who escaped to the ME post-war, translated Mein Kampf into Arabic and became high-level advisers to ME governments. These old Nazis infected the Middle East with hatred of Jews and the plans for destroying them.
The second part of that old Nazi network was in the former Yugoslavia -- Bosnian and Albanian Muslims and the Croatian Ustashi -- precisely the same groups we wound up championing in the 1990s. Now, because they have their own countries, they have a perfect entrance into the rest of Europe.
It's as though we are in the middle of WWII all over again, but the fascists now have millions of Muslims behind them and the US & Britain have switched sides. "Islam means Peace", my rear-end!
If this
is "The new World Order", it's going to get very ugly before it gets better -- if it ever does get better.
Thanks for the well considered post. This thread on the Ustashi and the Pope was very disturbing to me. Thanks also for the Tell the Children the Truth h/t it is chilling, we are facing great peril....after rereading Revelations today I may not sleep well for awhile.
May God bless you and yours, Bok!
And you and yours too, iopscusa!
The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965
Michael Phayer
Indiana University Press, 2001 Pius XII, says Phayer, was a weak leader and a cowardly one—and the author argues that, given the conditions under which he served, his lack of courage proved devastating. http://books.google.com/books?id=Ik_6WgPPxsoC&source=gbs_navlinks_s
A very important additional contribution of this book is its examination of the postwar era and how the church dealt with its history after the Holocaust, in Germany and elsewhere.
This thread and links certainly opened my eye to a lot of things. Here are a few more things I found. This concerning POSTWAR GERMANY and a certain person by the name of: Aloisius Joseph Muench -— MUENCH was the most powerful American Catholic and VATICAN REPRESENTATIVE in Allied-occupied Germany and subsequently in West Germany from 1946 to 1959 as the liaison between the U.S. Office of Military Government and the German Catholic Church in the American occupation zone (1946–1949), POPE PIUS XII’s apostolic visitor to Germany (1946–1947), the Vatican relief officer in Kronberg im Taunus, Germany (1947–1949), regent in Kronberg (1949–1951), as well as nuncio to Germany.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloisius_Joseph_Muench?oldid=0 In a 1948 letter to Carl Zietlow, a Minnesotan Protestant pastor of the NCCJ, Muench described the organization as unneeded because: “regarding anti-Semitism” he had “found very little of it”.[19]
According to Phayer, for Muench as well as Pius XII, the “priority was not the survivors of the Holocaust, but the situation of the German Catholic refugees in Eastern Europe who had been driven from their homes at the end of the war. Incredibly, Bishop Muench actually felt that their lot was comparable to that of the Jews during the Holocaust”.[20]
Clemency for war crimes. Along with other German and American clerics, such as Johann Neuhausler, auxiliary bishop of Munich, Cardinal Josef Frings of Cologne, Muench was “in close contact with occupation authorities, other religious leaders, and the convicted war criminals themselves” regarding the campaign for clemency for Nazi war criminals.[21]
In February 1950, Pius XII instructed Muench to write a letter in support of clemency for convicted German war criminals to General Thomas Hardy, the head of the U.S. Army European Command. With his new appointment as papal regent, Muench was to speak as a direct representative of the pope. it was Muench’s discretion that “saved the Vatican from becoming publicly associated with former Nazis”.[26] Muench wrote: “I have not dared to advise the Holy See to intervene, especially if such intervention would eventually become public”.[27][28]
Muench often preferred to work behind the scenes; for example, a letter from one of Muench’s secretaries provided Father Franz Lovenstein the contact information he had requested “with the understanding, of course, that you are not to use his name in connection with any letters or briefs that will be sent to those gentlemen”.[29] For example, in the case of Hans Eisle (former SS, convicted of medical experimentation on prisoners) there is some evidence that Muench’s intervention with General Clay in the summer of 1948 resulted in the commutation of Eisle’s execution (scheduled for June 1948) and Eisle’s eventual release in 1952.
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