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Transit bus fight in Oakland creating buzz (VIDEO: 67 year old man beats-down thug)
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Posted on 02/17/2010 3:21:44 PM PST by AAABEST

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To: behzinlea
No, but the point is that the they still jawed back and forth even after the old guy went to the front. You saw what kind of threat the black guy was once he took that first punch. He went down and curled up. You're right, though, he should of stayed put and not tried to physically provoke the old dude.

Like I said, the black guy had some issues going on himself.
121 posted on 02/17/2010 6:21:58 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: All

BTW, at my house, using the “N-word” gets you in serious trouble.
Having said that, “incidents” such as this insure the word and stereotype will never go away...


122 posted on 02/17/2010 6:23:03 PM PST by Maverick68
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To: muglywump; randomhero97; behzinlea
Thank you, randomhero97!!! Now can I go home? :)

I hope you have no wife or daughters.

123 posted on 02/17/2010 6:23:23 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: behzinlea

Just a little humor; try it sometime. (There; I made a command; feel better?)


124 posted on 02/17/2010 6:24:48 PM PST by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
I don't know about the poster you are addressing that to, but to me that's a whole new ball game.

I'm single with no kids, but if I weren't even the wrong words directed toward either would be enough for me to justify neutralizing the threat.
125 posted on 02/17/2010 6:27:18 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Maverick68
You got that right. Look at the other sheep cowering on the bus, trying to pretend nothing's happening. Just like the security guards in Seattle who allowed the teenage girl to be repeatedly and viciously kicked in the head at their feet, they were intimidated into complete passivity (well, one middle-aged woman did appear to have some minimal spine).

If the old man or the black guy had pulled out a gun and started shooting the passengers, they likely would have sat passively while they were methodically executed one by one.

A nation of sheep. That's what we've become.

126 posted on 02/17/2010 6:29:15 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: Travis McGee
The old guy could have gotten off, the black guy had gone back to his seaat. The old guy kept it going.

True enough. I agree. I most likely would have went with de-escalation myself, unless I just didn't feel like putting up with crap on that particular day. Also as you and others have pointed out, Epic Beard Guy isn't exactly a paragon of a virtuous citizenship.

That said, you don't get to assault someone because of a verbal altercation. Once you become physically violent, all bets are off at that point.

Growing up in New York, I've had much worse experiences with this type of element that pervades public transportation. My cousin an I were nearly killed once on a NYC subway.

If there were more Epic Beard Guys out there, there would be less of the scumbag types that would assault him, or assault someone else less capable of defending himself.

127 posted on 02/17/2010 6:32:33 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: muglywump

Run away Sir Robin.....


128 posted on 02/17/2010 6:34:53 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: muglywump
I've read your posts. Don't make eye contact, keep your mouth shut and move away. I guess that's one way to "survive". You have the right to do it.

What do you do if that doesn't work?

129 posted on 02/17/2010 6:35:23 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: AAABEST
Even the Swedes are having a ball with this one! http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/02/epic_baardopa_pwnd_schreeuwneg.html#comments
130 posted on 02/17/2010 6:35:24 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Eagles6

My posts are about not provoking/antagonizing in the first place. If I was attacked without provocation, I would defend myself.


131 posted on 02/17/2010 6:39:39 PM PST by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: randomhero97; muglywump
I don't know about the poster you are addressing that to, but to me that's a whole new ball game.

I believe that anyone reading this thread should reasonably understand that my comment wasn't intended towards you.

The poster made a comment implying that none of the violence of WWII was justified and the lives sacrificed by American Soldiers were meaningless.

132 posted on 02/17/2010 6:42:18 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: muglywump
There are only losers when people turn to violence.That's ridiculous. Is the US Army full of losers? He 1)walked away from the lout 2)got hit in the face.

Self defense is righteous and requires violence.

133 posted on 02/17/2010 6:42:40 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Drew68

I think George Wallace, the comedian. said it best with his punchline “He needs his ass kicked”. There are lot of people who need their ass kicked IMHO.


135 posted on 02/17/2010 6:51:43 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: Grizzled Bear

“The poster made a comment implying that none of the violence of WWII was justified and the lives sacrificed by American Soldiers were meaningless.”

That is your interpretation, sir. What I said was:
To: Balding_Eagle

“WWII, Hitler.”

This is an incredible stretch but, okay, who ‘won’ in WWII? (Whatever your answer is, explain it to the masses of slain soldiers.)

42 posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:06:25 PM by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)

My comment was in regards to my previous statement that “there are only losers when people turn to violence.” We, the USA, the world, lost lives. The key word here is ‘lost’. This is what happens when people turn to violence.


136 posted on 02/17/2010 6:53:38 PM PST by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: AAABEST

TRANSCRIPT:

Black man: …AC Transit
White man: Let’s get back to business. How much you charge me for a spit-shine?
Black man: what?
White man: How much you charge me for my Stacy Adams? I’m going to a funeral on Friday…You said you… [note: Stacy Adams are a brand of shoe.]
Black man: Did you get what I said just now?
White man: Yes
Black man: Why’d a brother gotta spit-shine your shoes?
White man: You offered!
Black man: I didn’t offer you shit.
White man: What’d you just say when you walked by me?
Black man: I said why, why a fuckin’ brother gotta spit-shine your shoes?
White man: You don’t have to!
Black man: Why a white man can’t spit-shine –
White man: [interrupting] – It could be a Chinaman! It don’t matter!
Black man: Look dude…
White man: I ain’t prejudice! What? You think I’m prejudice!
Black man: [pointing toward front of bus] Take your ass back up there and get the fuck out my face right now.
White man: Why you being so hostile, man?
Black man: ‘Cause. I’m pissed off.
White man: Well its better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Black man: Take your ass up there right now
White man: [standing to go to the front] You ain’t scarin’ this white boy. I’m 67 years old. You ain’t scarin’ me. You ain’t scarin’ me.
Black man: [now, also standing] I’m 50.
White man: You ain’t scared of me. You ain’t scarin’ me.
Black man: I’ll put my foot up your ass.
Older white man: No you won’t! No you won’t!

Another passenger makes remarks. The white man moves to the front of the bus as the two exchange threats to whoop each other’s asses.

White man: You won’t do nothin’ to me! [then something unintelligible]
Black man: Say it again! [then something unintelligible as woman who was filming talks over him]
Iyanna Washington: Say it again! Say it again, Pinky!

The black man begins walking to the front of the bus.

Someone off camera whom many allege is Iyanna Washington: Beat his white ass! Whoop his ass!
Another passenger: Leave him alone!

The two men seem to be speaking to one another at the front of the bus, but cannot be heard over the noise from the rest of the passengers.

Iyanna Washington: It ain’t worth it, blood, it ain’t worth it.

The black man begins walking back to his seat as other passengers continue to comment.

Black man: I’d put my foot up your ass.
White man: I see tough guys like you and I slap the shit out of them.
Black man: What?!
Another passenger: Stop it!

The black man walks to the front again to continue the confrontation.

At 1:40, the black guy lunges at the white guy, appearing to either shove or strike him in the chest, but the blow is mostly deflected by the white guy’s arm.

The white man stands up and punches him in the face repeatedly. At least 9 punches can be seen, then the camera moves too much to get a clear view.

At 1:51 the black man can be seen shielding his face.

White man: Don’t fuck with me! He hit me! He fuckin’ hit me!

As can be seen earlier in the video, the black man attempted to shove him, but did not hit him.

The old white man exits the bus.

White man: He fuckin’ hit me first! He hit me in the face! [unintelligible] – self defense!

At 2:07, blood spatter is visible on the seats of the bus.
At 2:22 Iyanna picks up a bag left by the old man.

Iyanna: Open that shit! laughs

Various passengers comment on what they’ve witnessed.

Iyanna: We can press charges, blood. I got in on videotape. He’s leakin’.

Black man: That motherfucker hit me. No no no no no.
Another passenger: Did he break your teeth?

Black man: No. Bring an amb-lance.

Because of the man’s bleeding, injured face, his pronunciation of the word “Ambulance” has been misheard by many as either “bring M&M’s” or “bring amber lamps.” Both variants were turned into image macros.

Then there are some more remarks from various passengers, and the scene ends with a shot of a bench reading “Keep our city clean & safe. Do your part.”


137 posted on 02/17/2010 6:55:22 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Travis McGee
To: dennisw Epic beard guy walked to the front of the bus, but kept running his mouth with taunts. He didn’t just get off the bus when he could have. He wanted to bait the black guy into the first punch, and he succeeded. He’s still a creep in my book, first evidence being the t-shirt with MFer worn at the level of children’s eyes.

Good point. I agree.

138 posted on 02/17/2010 6:58:20 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: behzinlea

Iyanna VIDEO “public apology”/old guys stolen bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbsX5j-8T3Y&feature=player_embedded#


139 posted on 02/17/2010 6:59:33 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: AAABEST
One of the black women, trying to incite a fight, yells at the old guy "Say it again, pinkie!" After the black guy gets his clock cleaned the woman looks at the blood running from his mouth and says, "Ooh, he's leakin'."

The black guy should have kept his seat. His girlfriends should have kept their mouths shut.

140 posted on 02/17/2010 7:00:55 PM PST by behzinlea
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