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'Climategate' expert Jones says data not well organised
BBC NEWS ^ | 2010/02/13 | Roger Harrabin

Posted on 02/13/2010 8:10:34 PM PST by neverdem

Phil Jones, the professor behind the "Climategate" affair, has admitted some of his decades-old weather data was not well enough organised.

He said this contributed to his refusal to share raw data with critics - a decision he says he regretted.

But Professor Jones said he had not cheated over the data, or unfairly influenced the scientific process.

He said he stood by the view that recent climate warming was most likely predominantly man-made.

But he agreed that two periods in recent times had experienced similar warming. And he agreed that the debate had not been settled over whether the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the current period.

These statements are likely to be welcomed by people sceptical of man-made climate change who have felt insulted to be labelled by government ministers as flat-earthers and deniers.

'Bunker mentality'

Professor Jones agreed that scientists on both sides of the debate could suffer sometimes from a "bunker mentality".

He said "sceptics" who doubted his climate record should compile their own dataset from material publicly available in the US.

"The major datasets mostly agree," he said. "If some of our critics spent less time criticising us and prepared a dataset of their own, that would be much more constructive."

His colleagues said that keeping a paper trail was not one of Professor Jones' strong points. Professor Jones told BBC News: "There is some truth in that.

"We do have a trail of where the (weather) stations have come from but it's probably not as good as it should be," he admitted.

"That's similar with the American datasets. There were technical reasons for this, with changing data from different countries. There's a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data..."

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KEYWORDS: amazongate; climatechangedata; climategate; climategatecom; glaciergate; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; ipcc; pachauri; pachaurigate
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1 posted on 02/13/2010 8:10:34 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Lies, lies, and more lies. Especially the part about the Medieval Warm Period: it’s totally missing from the IPCC’s hockey stick graph.


2 posted on 02/13/2010 8:13:42 PM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: neverdem; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; Little Bill; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 02/13/2010 8:13:55 PM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: neverdem

Translation: We all know I’m lying but I need my grant money, I’d like to see taxes go up, and I’d tell you I’m trading carbon credits but that would be a really inexcusable conflict of interest.


4 posted on 02/13/2010 8:14:14 PM PST by hometoroost (I am not a crook, I did not have sex with that woman, and I am not an ideologue.)
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To: neverdem

The shredder is so random in keeping files.


5 posted on 02/13/2010 8:14:49 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: neverdem
Professor Jones agreed that scientists on both sides of the debate could suffer sometimes from a "bunker mentality".

What in the name of heaven is Jones talking about? The writer had obviously thrown him a softball to hit. I know of no "skeptic" with a bunker mentality. I don't know any skeptic who is trying to suppress data. That is the whole argument of the skeptics. The writer obviously feels sorry for the good professor.

6 posted on 02/13/2010 8:23:41 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: neverdem

So we’ll bet trillions of dollars on disorganized data?


7 posted on 02/13/2010 8:24:06 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachussetts says: "FUBO!")
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To: Terpfen

not well organized usually means lots of bad data and no explanation for the bad data so they ‘organize’ the data to prove their point


8 posted on 02/13/2010 8:28:26 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work volunteer and replace a dem)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yeah exactly.

He’s so disorganized he can’t find the data, but organized enough to arrange it and compute that the Earth is warming uncontrollably?

Something smells here.


9 posted on 02/13/2010 8:28:28 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: neverdem
"Professor Jones agreed that scientists on both sides of the debate could suffer sometimes from a "bunker mentality".

My, my, myyyyyyy...how the mighty have fallen. "Both sides" of a scientific consensus!

So much for the much-ballyhooed "consensus." Now it's slipping out that there are two sides to the global warming debate.

10 posted on 02/13/2010 8:29:32 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: neverdem

GIGO


11 posted on 02/13/2010 8:30:24 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Terpfen

It seems that the Global Warmists have “lost” their vaunted Hockey-Stick data.

Hmmm...


12 posted on 02/13/2010 8:30:50 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: neverdem
...has admitted some of his decades-old weather data was not well enough organised.

He said this contributed to his refusal to share raw data with critics - a decision he says he regretted.

Imagine if this guy wasn't a "researcher" and was instead an undergrad lab student. If his data wasn't well organised and he didn't share the raw data with his instructor, what kind of grade would he get?

There's a term for data that supports your conclusion, but that you can't provide for review or is smoothed. It's called "dry labbing."

13 posted on 02/13/2010 8:39:55 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Chaguito; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Oynx; BOBTHENAILER

The BBC pension fund is investing in keep this scam going...


14 posted on 02/13/2010 9:00:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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15 posted on 02/13/2010 9:02:19 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They will lose in the end. If they had any sense they would quickly be seeing how they could change their portfolios for their employees. Humpty fell of the wall. Else they may find their employees are not so pleased with their master.
Perhaps one of the earlier surprises last week was how the Guardian jumped right in and started to raise questions as how their very own kind had attempted to swindle the world out of hundreds of trillions of dollars over the long haul.
For once I give them credit for some honest reporting. It was almost weird to see them go at it. With that Ernie. I have to hit the rack. Do have a great upcoming day.
16 posted on 02/13/2010 9:14:50 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Nite...how is the snow shoveling?


17 posted on 02/13/2010 9:20:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: neverdem

Bottom line is he wasn’t paid enough to organize the data, but just enough to manufacture and propagate it as scientifically valid data.
You get what you pay for! LOL


18 posted on 02/13/2010 9:22:19 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: Chaguito
The writer obviously feels sorry for the good professor.

"Good professor" my hairy purple donkey.

This charlatan has been caught trying to swindle the entire earth out of several decades worth of economic progress.

And, if it hadn't been for some very courageous, but still anonymous, whistle-blower he and his cohorts might have succeeded. Put him up at the North Pole in a rowboat and see how long it takes him to get back home in the "ice-free" oceans.

There is no penalty too great for a man who tried to set civilization back.

19 posted on 02/13/2010 9:27:33 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 02/13/2010 9:38:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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