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20 Reasons Why The U.S. Economy Is Dying And Is Simply Not Going To Recover
The Business Insider ^ | 2-4-2010 | Michael The Patriot Blogger

Posted on 02/04/2010 9:50:11 AM PST by blam

20 Reasons Why The U.S. Economy Is Dying And Is Simply Not Going To Recover

Michael The Patriot Blogger
Feb. 4, 2010, 10:26 AM

Even though the U.S. financial system nearly experienced a total meltdown in late 2008, the truth is that most Americans simply have no idea what is happening to the U.S. economy. Most people seem to think that the nasty little recession that we have just been through is almost over and that we will be experiencing another time of economic growth and prosperity very shortly.

But this time around that is not the case. The reality is that we are being sucked into an economic black hole from which the U.S. economy will never fully recover.

The problem is debt. Collectively, the U.S. government, the state governments, corporate America and American consumers have accumulated the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world. Our massive debt binge has financed our tremendous growth and prosperity over the last couple of decades, but now the day of reckoning is here.

And it is going to be painful.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; depression; economy; fail; housing; obamanomics; recession; stimulus; unexpectedly
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To: blam
Wanna - bet?

I've had doom monger on FR bet me that the SP 500 would have crashed by year end - won easily - and that the CPI would be up by a third in 3 years - no chance I lose that one either. If you want a bet on the future path of US GDP, I'll take it. And you too can join the parade of doom mongering losers who owe me money.

21 posted on 02/04/2010 10:26:30 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Little Ray
Can't disagree with that.
22 posted on 02/04/2010 10:26:36 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: ex-Texan; All

Good thing GWB and Pelosi raised the minimum wage in 2008 which took effect in the middle of 2009 to jump start the ‘Obama recovery’ . Justice wouldnt you say?


23 posted on 02/04/2010 10:35:16 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: dennisw
Real estate isn't money.

Money is just one more good among others.

There is nothing magical about things you can hit with a stick, but the idiotic materialism of the populist set knows no bounds. If real assets were always more valuable than paper claims, then houses would be worth more than the mortgages written against them.

News flash, that idea being a complete crock was the bubble.

In the past decade, we made gobs and gobs of real assets called new houses. 12.5 million new units in 7 years. That was just about 5 million more than were justified by their actual money cost, at the prices they could actually continually sell for. You know, it imaginary useless unreal money...

24 posted on 02/04/2010 10:39:11 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Jason - You are always optimistic on these threads and I appreciate the sentiment. However, we have an unbelievable entitlement problem and few people are talking about it. It’s the real reason we have so much government debt and all of this other stuff we debate does not come close to our future guaranteed spending of money we don’t have.

I hope you are right but I truly believe we are in uncharted waters in terms of debt and it has to impact our currency eventually. Those who blame Obama miss the big picture. Obama is just the latest installment of a progressive politician who fails to address entitlements. The fact that he is borrowing much more than his predecessor simply accelerates the day of reckoning.

I find it hard to be optimistic about our future unless we abolish entitlements. It’s the right thing to do for our children and future generations. It appears to be the only thing to secure our future and prevent runaway inflation.

Where am I wrong (and I hope I am)?


25 posted on 02/04/2010 10:48:09 AM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: blam; All

26 posted on 02/04/2010 10:54:56 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: blam; All

Inflation IS rearing her ugly head. We’ll be LUCKY if we only get screwed as much as we did during Carter. Strap in!

http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexoneYear.asp?StartYear=2009&submit1=Create+Report


27 posted on 02/04/2010 10:57:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: blam

It may well not recover, but that isn’t the way it needs to be. But it will be painful.
Those with half a brain understand that an economy grows with savings and investment, unlike some of our brainLESS congresspeople who think that increased spending is how you grow an economy.
1- Sunset ALL spending legislation. Make the Congress revisit every piece and only re-legislate the spending we IMMEDIATELY need.
2- Repeal all legislation that gave bailouts to ANY company or bank.
3- No more federal protection for unions.
4- Give back all federal land to the states and remove all regulations that limit development of natural resources.
5- Decrease the size and funding of ALL federal agencies by a third, with plans to close most of them in the near future. Immediately close down the Dept. of Education, HHS and the EPA.
6 Force all able-bodied people under the age of 40, who are NOT physically and demonstrably disabled, off SSI. Give ALL welfare issues back to the states.
7- Force a Constitutional amendment that forbids the COngress from increasing the credit limit.
8- Initiate tax credits for savings and investment, and bring back tax credits for families.
9- Demand that the federal government spend to maintain the military and roll back to its COnstitutional limits- no more growth of the fed.

10- ELECT STATE GOVERNORS WHO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING AND IMPORTANCE OF STATE SOVEREIGNTY!


28 posted on 02/04/2010 11:06:17 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: volunbeer
Entitlement spending is a transfer, and is received as well as spent. If entitlement spending were zero tomorrow, it would make no net difference in the net worth of the American people. What the treasury and indirectly the taxpayers gain by not paying it out, the people receiving it lose by not receiving it. Similarly, if it remains unchanged, yes it would pass too much of the income stream through Washington, but no it would not make that stream zero. It is received, and spent, and earned by those providing goods and services to those receipients, etc.

Here is my modest proposal to fix the public fiscal mess and the unreality it has bred. It requires new legislation and will be anathema to the left, and I don't seriously expect it in the short run. But it is a program that would work and that populists might agree on and push for.

The idea is to use the portion of measured GDP the budget is in deficit or surplus, as an automatic adjusting factor in many federal payments. Basically, automatic marginal cuts when the budget is in deficit, and rises capped by the portion of GDP in surplus at other times.

To start with, no federal worker can receive a pay adjustment in any given year for the same job or grade, greater than the above percentage, plus 2% to reflect average targeted inflation. If the deficit is 10% of GDP, that means an automatic 8% pay cut. If the budget is balanced, that means a maximum 2% raise. For federal workers to get real annual raises, the budget would have to be continually in surplus by several percent of GDP.

Second, for COLAs for federal pensions and also for social security, the rule is more forgiving but still tight. No increases at all if the budget is in deficit. Second, when COLAs are given for either, the indexing series shall be the CPI, not wages.

Third, gradually raise the normal retirement age to 70, by 3 months each year. Adjust the early and later retirement options for social security away from actuarial equality, to instead deliberately encourage working longer, in real terms, by at least 2% per year away from the new retirement age standard. (So someone retiring at 65 should expect only 90% of the total benefit of someone retiring at 70, and spread over more expected years of life, with less interest, in addition).

Next for so-called "discretionary" spending, it is important to encourage smaller government, not just fiscal balance (by e.g. higher taxes). So a different automatic budgeting rule there. The maximum rate of change in federal discretionary spending is 20% minus federal spending as a share of GDP. Meaning, if spending is taking 25% of GDP, discretionary spending must fall 5% per year. If you want discretionary spending to grow 5% per year, then spending must already be under 15% of GDP.

Now, naturally congress cannot fully bind its successors. These rules should be in place as an automatic budgeting matter, but congress retains the right to vote new spending for wars or national emergencies etc. But the above system would effectively require continual new majority (or in the senate, sometimes supermajority) votes to deviate from this fiscal discipline.

29 posted on 02/04/2010 11:14:52 AM PST by JasonC
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To: blam

I’d say the top reasons are:

1) Obama
2)Pelosi
3)Reid
4) Barney Frank
5) rest of democratic party.


30 posted on 02/04/2010 11:46:37 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: blam
Related:

20 reasons Global Debt Time Bomb explodes soon

31 posted on 02/04/2010 11:49:40 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam
Consider this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hEkfx_bpGC-zVoeKNR38gWLcjXdw

US debt to hit proposed ceiling by end-February: Treasury

WASHINGTON — The US debt is on track to hit a congressionally proposed debt ceiling of 14.3 trillion dollars by the end of February, the Treasury said Wednesday, a day ahead of a key vote to raise it to that level.

"Based on current projections, Treasury expects to reach the debt ceiling as early as the end of February. However, the government's cash flows are volatile, making it difficult to forecast a precise date," the Treasury said in a statement.

The current limit on the public debt of the United States is 12.374 trillion dollars.

The US debt exceeded 12.349 trillion dollars on Monday, according to Treasury data.

The US House of Representatives will vote Thursday on whether to raise the US debt limit to a historic 14.3 trillion dollars, allowing the United States to borrow another 1.9 trillion dollars.



What that means is that even though Congress will vote today to raise the debt limit, we will hit that limit again 23 days from now.

There is absolutely no indication that unemployment is decreasing, quite to the contrary, layoffs continue across the nation. With over half the States out of money for unemployment and dependent on Federal largesse, the Feds will continue to borrow in order to try and keep unemployment propped up. To say this is unsustainable is well beyond a mere understatement.

Even the major media has stopped ignoring this story, and that is what's helping drive the Dow down over 200 points as I type this.

I hope that there are still built-in circuit breakers on Wall Street, because when the Labor Department releases January numbers tomorrow, and subtracts almost another million jobs from the economy, I think the Markets will be on an elevator ride to hell.

Even if the report is released after the Markets close, there is no way that enough of it won't be leaked to send investors running for the doors.



32 posted on 02/04/2010 11:51:48 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: blam

Excellent summary of what’s going on and where we’re headed!


33 posted on 02/04/2010 12:09:57 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: ex-Texan

It doesn’t matter to the unemployed. Obama’s Central government will come to the rescue of state unemployment accounts and will extend right through the 2010 election, at the very least.


34 posted on 02/04/2010 12:10:45 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

BTTT


35 posted on 02/04/2010 12:15:19 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

BTTT


36 posted on 02/04/2010 12:15:34 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

BTTT


37 posted on 02/04/2010 12:16:24 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: bgill
It will recover the same day the GOP gets its act together and runs another Reagan.

I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this.

Whomever the next President is, if he (or she) doesn't cut spending across the board and reduce the tax burden upon businesses and individuals, they will find themselves in the same rotten boat as Zero's in right now.


38 posted on 02/04/2010 12:16:26 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. Is 25 to life enough?)
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To: blam
I expect a recovery in three more years ... for obvious reasons.


39 posted on 02/04/2010 12:29:59 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: blam

Inflation is like the scene, “I dreenk your MEELKSHAKE” scene from There Will Be Blood.


40 posted on 02/04/2010 12:52:15 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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