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How German Homeschoolers Won Asylum in the U.S.
time.com ^ | Feb. 01, 2010 | Tristana Moore / Berlin

Posted on 02/03/2010 8:42:41 AM PST by stainlessbanner

How German Homeschoolers Won Asylum in the U.S.

But here's the problem: in Germany it's compulsory for children to attend school, and the Romeikes soon found themselves on the wrong side of the law. Local authorities slapped the couple with a $10,000 fine, and police even took their children to school when the Romeikes refused to send them. Fearing that they could lose custody of their kids or even be put in jail, the Romeikes fled to the U.S. in 2008, looking for a community where they could educate their kids as they saw fit.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asylum; education; german; homeschool; homeschooling; hs; romeike
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"Compulsory schooling is one of the greatest social achievements of our time," Josef Kraus, head of the German Teachers' Association, tells TIME. "This law protects children."

"No parental couple can offer a breadth of education and replace experienced teachers."

1 posted on 02/03/2010 8:42:43 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: metmom; JenB; wintertime; MrB

ping


2 posted on 02/03/2010 8:43:23 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
"Compulsory schooling is one of the greatest socialist achievements of our time," Josef Kraus, head of the German Teachers' Association, tells TIME. "This law protects children."

There, I fixed it.

3 posted on 02/03/2010 8:47:52 AM PST by Nat Turner (Escaped from NY in 1983 and not ever going back....)
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To: stainlessbanner

We used to offer asylum to the lucky few who could escape the Marxist regime.

Now possibly we can help the few remaining Christians in Germany who refuse to bow down to the snakes of secularism.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 8:51:44 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: stainlessbanner

The head of NEA believes exactly the same thing. Except she/he would add “ in the public schools.” Not content with a monopoly, that organization would prohibit private education. And it is to this group our President panders, even as he enrolls his own girls in a toney private school.


5 posted on 02/03/2010 9:01:56 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Most of the REALLY bad ideas in the late 19th early 20th Century originated in Germany... Marx/Engels...Social Security...Public Schools...Socialized Medicine... the list goes on and on...


6 posted on 02/03/2010 9:12:21 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: eleni121

The element that jumped out to me from this German family homeschooling issue was the statement by the judge that

“homeschooling creates a parallel society, and this situation is unacceptable”.

You KNOW that “liberals” in this country believe the same thing. They don’t want to ALLOW you to escape your children’s indoctrination into their worldview.


7 posted on 02/03/2010 9:12:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

You have to remember that Germany is the country that has a law which requires you to pick the name for your child from an approved list. And, oh, by the way - hyphenated last names are not legal either...... The Nazis lived (and others died) by regulation.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 9:42:34 AM PST by Pecos
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To: stainlessbanner
The Homeschool Legal Defense Fund is currently working on helping another homeschooling family in Sweden. Swedish social workers hopped a plane to Indonesia (the mother's native country), took their only child (7-yr old son)and have limited the parents to 1 hour of supervised visits every 5 weeks.

We pulled our kids out of public school two years ago and it was the bravest thing I have ever done. My husband is a teacher and coach at that small, rural school. We ran into opposition—NOT from anyone in the school, but from very conservative, anti-socialist, and pro-free market parents. Go figure.

One of them passionately warns about the dangers of letting the government get control of your life via Obamacare, but thinks it's morally wrong not to let the government have complete charge over everyone’s children. Seriously.

What even many conservatives forget is that when the federal government began to take over education there was the same level of outcry from the people as we have now with the healthcare issue. Now, one is seen as weird, fringe,and abusive if he/she dares to say the government has no business educating my child...even by even by conservatives.

9 posted on 02/03/2010 9:43:50 AM PST by Spudx7
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To: stainlessbanner
He also argues that homeschooling deprives children of important social lessons.

Yep. The lessons of being bullied, attacked in the bathroom, forced to learn perverted sex ed, all the while learning a world view diametrically opposed to your parents.

10 posted on 02/03/2010 9:44:32 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: stainlessbanner; rmlew

This is ridiculous. The compulsory school attendance law was enacted by NAZI Germany. The US, Great Britain, and France - the powers occupying West Germany after WWII - should have required the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany void all laws enacted while the NAZI’s were in power.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 9:44:59 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: stainlessbanner
“No parental couple can offer a breadth of education and replace experienced teachers.”
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This man it completely and utterly uninformed!

He should meet two of my homeschooled kids. They had earned B.S. degrees in math by the age of 18. The older of the two was **teaching** ( at the age of 18) college math to college students as part of her master's program. She earned a masters in math by 20.

And...My homeschoolers are not at all unusual for homeschoolers. Many, many, many more children could be doing the same but they are trapped in prison-like schools and forbidden to progress.

These high achieving homeschoolers are NORMAL!!1 It is the institutionalized child who is artificially delayed socially and educationally.

12 posted on 02/03/2010 10:00:01 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: MrB

And in a related story:

“Since 1972, Germany’s birth rate has been too low to replace the number of people dying. On top of that, more people moved out of Germany than immigrated. Net emigration last year was estimated at 20,000 to 70,000”

Read more: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1527296.php/Germany-s-population-keeps-on-declining-another-city-gone#ixzz0eUvWBbcy


13 posted on 02/03/2010 10:12:42 AM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Spudx7
What even many conservatives forget is that when the federal government began to take over education there was the same level of outcry from the people as we have now with the healthcare issue.
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Please give up the idea that having the federal government out of government education will reform or solve the problems of government schools. Yes, it would be an improvement but only a minor one. Please follow my reasoning as I explain why this is so.

It is amazing how many conservatives fail to understand how dangerous socialist funded government schools have **ALWAYS** been to our nation's freedom.

From the very beginning in the mid 1800s to the early 1900s, government schools were and are socialist. The government uses the threat of police action to take money from citizens to pay for a service that parents ( and progressives) want for tuition-free.

A child attends these socialist funded schools for years and years, and their teachers indoctrinate them into believing that it is the child's **RIGHT** to have the government take money from their neighbor for their “free” schooling. If the government can use police threat to collect money from their neighbor for school, why not a thousand other socialist wants and needs?

Then add to this that government schools have ***ALWAYS** been the Utopian Progressive’s wet dream! From the very beginning the progressives imposed a generic and bland Christian doctrine that would be most acceptable from the majority. It has been morally and religiously downhill since with the push, decade after decade, to an exclusively godless and secular worldview. That has **always** been the plan.

By the 1960s when I attended school the worldview taught was completely godless with 2 minutes of the Lord's Prayer and one scripture verse in the morning. ( Big whoop1) ( with eye roll)

Teacher training and textbook development has ALWAYS been under the control the Utopian progressives.

Getting the federal government out of education will not solve a thing because socialist schools ( even if school districts were the size of a suburban subdivision) are still socialist. Simply by attending children learn that the voting mob can steal money from his neighbor.

Within one to three generations of socialist-funded government schools we had:

**The IRS
** Direct election of Senators
** the failed League of Nations and not the abominable U.N.
** the federal reserve
** FDR's New Deal FOUR terms!
** Unions
** the feminist movement
** Johnson's Great Society
** the abolishment of the gold standard
** and thousands of other social programs and agencies

ALL of the above was voted on by my parents, grand parents and great grandparents all of which learn to be comfortable with socialism by attending socialist government schools!

And....Finally, all government schools ( even if the school district were the size of a city block) are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination!

Why?

1) It is IMPOSSIBLE to have religiously, politically, and culturally neutral education. The voting mob WILL establish the religious worldview of some and crush that of others.

2) All education is either godless or God-centered in its worldview. It can not be both at the same time. No matter which the voting mob chooses it will establish the religious worldview of some ( godless or God-centered) and crush that of others.

3) Government schools treat children ( who have committed no crime) like prisoners. Every one of their First Amendment Rights are trashed ( just like a prisoner). They are told to shut up. They can not publish freely. It it the government who choose with whom they will assemble. They can not freely express or practice their religion. In other words, government schools teach children to be compliant prisoners of the state.

14 posted on 02/03/2010 10:29:12 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: US Navy Vet

“The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.” — Karl Marx (1848)


15 posted on 02/03/2010 10:42:47 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Paleo Conservative

Should have, yes. But remember The UK was run by Labour and the US by the Democrats, who couldn’t figure out if they were “not” communist or “not” fascist.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 10:42:57 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: Pecos
And, oh, by the way - hyphenated last names are not legal either

When did that become law? I know of a few Germans with hyphenated last names. Have their descendants been required to give them up?

17 posted on 02/03/2010 10:56:26 AM PST by Erasmus (<under construction>)
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To: wintertime

I agree with you 100%. I see that I implied that only the federal government was the problem. What I was clumsily trying to point out is that many (most?) conservatives fear government control of almost everything but education, because they are so used to it by now. I have to work on not being defensive about homeschooling. It tends to be a rather sensitive area for me.

I was amazed at how upset these local small town conservative businessmen and bankers were that we would no longer be subjecting our children to socialist indoctrination. I have practically been shunned by their wives at subsequent athletic events, whereas before they were quite friendly.

I guess I shouldn’t be trying to quickly post during our school day while dealing with pretty strong morning sickness and four kids suffering from cabin fever. Pregnancy tends to cloud the mind as well.


18 posted on 02/03/2010 11:14:25 AM PST by Spudx7
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To: stainlessbanner

It’s a bit stressfull for us homeschoolers to consider just how many liberals want homeschooling to be illegal here in the U.S.


19 posted on 02/03/2010 12:18:34 PM PST by DungeonMaster (A Christian Democrat is better than a heathen Republican)
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To: eleni121
the U.S. could see a flood of a new type of refugees —educational asylum seekers.

We may have to count on people who have lost their freedoms to help restore ours.

20 posted on 02/03/2010 12:25:17 PM PST by Bearshouse
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