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1 posted on 02/03/2010 6:23:28 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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I’m afraid I have to agree with The Woz. The ‘sticky pedals’ thing is nonsense.


2 posted on 02/03/2010 6:24:38 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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When I heard about this the first time, and after hearing how the fix is only supposed to take about a 1/2 hour, I really wondered if there was a bug in the software, or if it truly was mechanical.

I think the fix is replacing a faulty sensor, relay, or the 'puter itself, not the pedal assembly. It may take a Toyota mechanic to spill the beans.

3 posted on 02/03/2010 6:26:21 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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When this happens on a Prius, does it speed up rapidly from 40 to 43mph?


4 posted on 02/03/2010 6:26:48 AM PST by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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I have said that from the beginning and Im a dumb chit


5 posted on 02/03/2010 6:27:19 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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12 posted on 02/03/2010 6:42:40 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I think Wozniac ought to stick to marketing overpriced consumer electronics.


13 posted on 02/03/2010 6:43:31 AM PST by EricT. (Can we start hanging them yet?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I never, not once, thought it was a mechanical issue. Still don’t.

Toyota is covering up something here, and it will come out, eventually, to their detriment. Ask Chevy (side saddle tanks) and Ford (exploding Pintos) and Audi (Calif. models gas pedal surge)

They should have been upfront from the get go, now it will live in infamy on the internet.

As an aside, Hyundai has moved into number 4 in Asian autos (52k sales in Jan.), with only 10k cars separating them and Nissan, and now has a Top Ten car, in the Santa Fe. Their Daily Sales Rate is up to 22.8% (Nissan up 16.1%), and in terms of overall increases, they are up 12.9% vs Toyota at -15.8%-2nd highest (%) in Asian sales, with Suburu besting them at 28%-which means Suburu sold a mere 2800 more this year.

We know Ford has finally woke up and is paying attention, and maybe GM as well, but Toyota had best read the writing on the wall, lest they be the GM of tomorrow.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 7:15:01 AM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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How would Woz know which pedal his foot was on? He hasn’t seen his feet in years.


17 posted on 02/03/2010 7:16:12 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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Do a search for the Therac radiation machine and you’ll see why swapping out hardware controls and safety mechanisms for software can lead to disaster.


18 posted on 02/03/2010 7:23:59 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist. (Evil + Stupid) === Government)
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Figures he’d own a Prion.


22 posted on 02/03/2010 7:36:46 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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I had an engine accelerate out of control once. I had taken my Ford Windstar through the car wash. It was the coldest day of the year. About 5 minutes later, the car started accelerating out of control. I braked at first, then put it in neutral and turned off the engine.

Luckily, I was on a straight road with no traffic. I let the van sit for a few minutes. I figured somehow the computer box got wet and caused a problem. Sitting there would let the heat of the engine melt whatever had frozen up.

That worked. Started it up, drove off. Never had a problem since. But it is scary and could be a very dangerous situation. Plan ahead, know what to do, if it happens to you. These type of emergency situations should be covered in driver's education and maybe through driving license renewals.

23 posted on 02/03/2010 7:52:04 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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As soon as the press releases from Toyota said there was no electrical problem I was doubly sure it wasn’t just a minor pedal problem.

These cars use a “fly-by-wire” system where there is no direct mechanical link cable between the pedal and the throttle body.

Something is getting hosed between the actual pedal the throttle body and computer control.

They’re trying to cover it up like the Toyota vans that required the engine to be pulled to replace the spark plugs, so they made the service interval 60K miles for a tune up. Plugs didn’t last 60K back then.

Or the Nissan vans that caught on fire because the fuel delivery system to the engine kept breaking. Nissan refused to service the vans, made excuses like no parts, and offered sweetheart deals like $3000 over the value of the van to sell another Nissan.

How many old Toyota or Nissan vans are on the road? Zero, haven’t seen one in mucho many years.


24 posted on 02/03/2010 8:07:47 AM PST by Eagles2003
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Woz is probably correct. The Toyota accelerator pedal is a continuously pressable button that sends a signal to the automobile control unit (computer) that in turn controls a throttle actuator.

This is totally unlike the mechanical linkages that have been used since the automobile was invented. It’s highly probable there’s a software problem.

The MSM has failed to mention Toyota is including a software change with the recall that causes the control computer to ignore signals from the accelerator pedal whenever the brake pedal is depressed. This doesn’t really fix any underlying software cause of self-initiated acceleration, but does end it when the brake pedal is pressed.

BTW, Woz is one of the most underrated geniuses and inventors of the 20th century, having single-handedly invented both the single-board computer and its BIOS.


25 posted on 02/03/2010 8:52:15 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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Put on your Tin Foil Hats. I heard someone on the radio say the problem could be related to interference from High Voltage Power lines...
32 posted on 02/03/2010 9:11:56 AM PST by tubebender (Thanks to all the Patriots who support Free Republic financially...)
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Figures that a hardware guy would blame software. ;^)


37 posted on 02/03/2010 9:42:32 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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I find it hard to believe Toyota designed a sticking gas pedal. A software glitch sounds quite reasonable and I are a software engineer.
39 posted on 02/03/2010 9:45:15 AM PST by McGruff (Love ya Sarah but I will support and contribute to JD Hayworth.)
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