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I shot US abortion doctor to protect children, Scott Roeder tells court
Guardian ^ | 28 January 2010 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged

A self-proclaimed born-again Christian who believes all abortions are a sin told his trial for murder today that he shot dead an abortion doctor in Wichita, Kansas, to protect unborn children.

Scott Roeder said he had bought a .22-calibre Taurus gun and ammunition on 30 May 2009, the day before he shot George Tiller, and practised target shooting with his brother. Then he checked into a motel in Wichita, and the next day followed Tiller to the church in the town where the doctor was an usher.

His defence lawyer asked: "Did you go and shoot Dr Tiller?"

Roeder replied: "Yes."

His confession is part of his defence that he felt forced to kill in order to save the lives of unborn children. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.

It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.

The judge in the case, Warren Wilbert, caused dismay among pro-abortionists and doctors this month when he ruled that Roeder would be allowed to present his justification to the court. Wilbert will decide later in the trial in Kansas whether the jury will be permitted to find the defendant guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter.

Tiller was killed in the Reformation Lutheran church with one shot to the head. He had long been a target for anti-abortionists as he was one of few doctors prepared to perform legal late abortions, after 21 weeks of gestation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 2savelives; abortion; abortionists; babykillerkilled; churchshooting; doctrineofnecessity; justifiablehomicide; justwar; killedbabykiller; necessitydefense; selfdefense; tiller; wichita
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To: editor-surveyor; TChris
"Civil trials are not prosecuted by a government lawyer Einstein."

Every day in America, in courtrooms all across the country, civil trials are ongoing where one of the litigants - and in many cases the plaintiff - is the government - local government, state government and federal government.

In fact, civil litigation is so plentiful in the federal government, the Department of Justice has an entire division - The Civil Division - that does nothing but civil litigation. And, with tremendous frequency, it is in fact the government that is the plaintiff in such litigation, and not the defendant.

Food for thought.

261 posted on 01/28/2010 4:28:30 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Ben Mugged; All
Lots of Puritanical sounding appeals to "law" as the final authority here. But what is law? Law is meant to serve life, not vice versa.

That requires an informed conscience, which doesn't come cheap. It certainly isn't as cheap as all the talk about "law" being bandied about in pitiful naivete on this thread.

262 posted on 01/28/2010 4:28:41 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: editor-surveyor

You claimed government lawyers don’t prosecute civil cases and you’re wrong.

You should just drop it now before you make it even worse.


263 posted on 01/28/2010 4:29:06 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: editor-surveyor

Scott Roeder should get the death penalty.


264 posted on 01/28/2010 4:29:51 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OldDeckHand
"Every day in America, in courtrooms all across the country, civil trials are ongoing where one of the litigants - and in many cases the plaintiff - is the government - local government, state government and federal government."

And in those cases, the right to a jury is codified into the law. Back to square one.

265 posted on 01/28/2010 4:31:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: BunnySlippers

Fortunately, you have nothing to say about it, and it will not be happening. - Isn’t this a wonderful world!


266 posted on 01/28/2010 4:32:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Two or three morons on this thread would give Scott Roeder a medal for his murder. They would love a jury to let him off altogether, but of course that’s not gonna happen.

What does that leave - a stealth juror who can at least hang up the jury and result in a mistrial. A juror who believes “the ends justify the means” “babies have died long enough, it’s time to send a chill through every abortion doctor out there.” That’s where I got it.


267 posted on 01/28/2010 4:34:08 PM PST by LussaO
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To: the invisib1e hand
Thankfully, it's not up to you.

Maybe you should read the post again before you go all "sanctimonious".

268 posted on 01/28/2010 4:34:24 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Petronski
"You claimed government lawyers don’t prosecute civil cases and you’re wrong."

Only where the Gov is one of the parties, and that jumps outside of the original point. - Are you always this slow on the uptake?

269 posted on 01/28/2010 4:34:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor
Only where the Gov is one of the parties...

Finally you get it.

Are you always this slow on the uptake?

270 posted on 01/28/2010 4:35:56 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: OldDeckHand

Food for thought...served to an intellectual bulimic.

;O)


271 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:10 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Palladin
Legally, shmegally!

I assume that you disagree with any sort of parental consent laws in the case of minors having abortions, then. After all, if your position is that the desire of the pregnant person having the abortion trumps the fact that they're legally incapable of consent in this case, then it must in all cases, right? Or is it just a one-way street?

272 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:16 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: LussaO
A juror who believes “the ends justify the means” “babies have died long enough, it’s time to send a chill through every abortion doctor out there.” That’s where I got it.

I believe the considerations are just a bit more complex than that.

273 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:30 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: LussaO
A juror who believes “the ends justify the means” “babies have died long enough, it’s time to send a chill through every abortion doctor out there.”

I knew you were pro-abort; I could smell you across the country.

274 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor
"And in those cases, the right to a jury is codified into the law. "

And, the Sun sets in the west. See, I can do non sequiturs too.

Let me remind you what you said...

"Civil trials are not prosecuted by a government lawyer Einstein."

I pointed out - rather convincingly, I might add - that you were wrong. Government lawyers frequently litigate - as plaintiffs - cases in civil court.

275 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
I guess you would have had no use for John Brown either.

Roeder did what he thought was morally right. You obviously disagree, but I'm not sure your god (be it human reason or whatever) has a superior claim to morality.

Roeder will surely pay the consequences under the law. But it also beyond reasonable dispute that his act saved the lives of innocent children who would have been butchered in the womb in the most savage manner by Roeder. If you find Roeder's murder heinous and immoral, at least be consistent and find Tiller's murders of tens of thousands of the most innocent heinous and immoral.

276 posted on 01/28/2010 4:37:51 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: wmfights

read it just fine. that’s why I responded. I don’t know what it is you imagine is “sanctimonious” about that response; probably your inability to grasp the irony.


277 posted on 01/28/2010 4:38:27 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: editor-surveyor
A jury that has been instructed is invalid.

LOL

Stop already.   You're killing me.

278 posted on 01/28/2010 4:39:12 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

I always ‘got it’ but it’s not germane to the particular argument, is it!


279 posted on 01/28/2010 4:40:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Petronski

“You’re killing me.”

Thrill me!


280 posted on 01/28/2010 4:41:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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