Posted on 01/11/2010 12:10:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance
The head of health at the Council of Europe, Wolfgang Wodarg, called the swine flu scare a “false pandemic” orchestrated by drug companies looking pull in large profits from the vaccines.
Saying it was “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century,” Wodark said, “[Swine flu] is just a normal kind of flu. It does not cause a tenth of deaths caused by the classic seasonal flu. The great campaign of panic we have seen provided a golden opportunity for representatives from labs who knew they would hit the jackpot in the case of a pandemic being declared.”
The WHO recently reaffirmed its position, saying that the pandemic is not over despite the number of swine flu deaths being dramatically lower than expected.
“We must make sure people can rely on the analysis and expertise of national and international public institutions,” said Wodark, “The latter are not discredited, because million of people have been vaccinated with products with inherent possible health risks.”
The sad thing is, I can’t say if you’re right or not. It’s entirely possible.
My wife got both shots this year, normal influenza and H1N1 vaccines. I didn’t get either. She got ill three times between one and three weeks each. She exposed me to it.
I didn’t get sick once.
That’s life. LOL
Thanks for the inside on the CDC Marron. I think the CDC and the NIH did more damage to their credibility than they have any idea.
Global warming hoax actually spans two centuries. Somebody claimed it started by European Greenie Trash about thirty years ago.
I would have been FAR more merciful if I had passed too ...
Today is my first day of work this year as I contacted it (or began showing symptoms) on New Year’s Eve. I had a high fever for four days and I don’t remember ever being so sick in my 40+ years of my adult life. Nothing to mess with - still getting back on my feet. Now as to how communicable it is, I’d say not that easy, as only a few I know have gotten it. But to those that have, don’t mess with it; real, real serious.
Sounds about right.
The H1N1 in December nearly killed me in 4 days. I had terrible pneumonia. Still do not feel completely well ever. Thank G-d for heavy antibiotics or I would be dead today.
Then I read stuff like the above and I don't know what to think. On the one hand, fewer deaths than the usual flu. On the other hand, the people who get it get hit hard and fast.
Maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. My pal at CDC thinks they get some credit, I think. Maybe they do. Me, my natural paranoia makes me suspicious of stuff like this, especially when I don't know anyone who has it. Maybe thats what FR is good for; now I (sort of) do.
So I am guessing that you developed a respiratory problem from the flu? If they gave you antibiotics for the just flu you were not receiving top notch care. Just curious what is your age group?
She was 39
My condolences for the loss of your lover. How terrible for you to be so sick at such an awful time. Did your lover have the same thing you did H1N1?
In my case, because it was a holiday weekend, I did not get to see the doctor, but probably should have gone to the ER. By the time I went, fever was way down. Doctor gave me antibiotics for any secondary bacterial infection, like a respiratory problem. Had a terrible reaction to that (swollen face, lips, trouble swallowing), first time ever. Got me on steroids and will be weaned off tomorrow.
My symptoms -- high fever (>103°F), coughing, aches, nausea, diarrhea, dark brown urine. My age, seasoned citizen.
I also got double pneumonia from it. I’m just now getting back to normal. Ran / walked 9 miles yesterday (ran 6 of it). Though I have had pneumonia before I was NEVER been so ill than this time. Out body experience ... signing end of life papers ETC. Nurses had to wear a mask and body suit to enter my room. I was released from the hospital just in time for my lovers funeral ... day after my birthday
I share your consternation regarding those who are hit the worst by the H1N1 Influenza. I’m not trying to downplay the people confirmed to have it that are hit very hard, and those who actually die from it. One death in the family is terrible, and I consider everyone to be in my extended family.
After some thought on the subject, this is the conclusion I have come to.
As much as we would like to think otherwise, we simply do not know every thing there is to know about medicine. How this disease progresses and why, is still a mystery to us. Folks will state otherwise, but there are still no explanations to account for what you have touched on, why some are hit very hard and others barely exhibit symptoms.
If the worst cases were solely due to this influenza, then everyone who was exposed to and came down with any symptoms at all, would exhibit the worst case scenario, or something a little less severe, accounting for natural differences in people’s immune systems.
Instead nearly all people came down with mild cases, and only a relative few came down with severe symptoms or died. Therefore, there has to be something or even a few somethings the most severely affected had in common, or perhaps more accurately that exacerbated the situation in a manner we still haven’t figured out.
The discovery of those commonalities between those who got sickest, or differences from the vast body of people who didn’t get that sick, will probably lead us to a better understanding of how all influenza attacks our systems, and help us develop counters to them. That will probably benefit us with regard to how to fight this and perhaps other normal influenzas, and perhaps even other communicable maladies.
That IMO is where the CDC and the NIH will be able to shine. And if they do investigate thoroughly and come up with good preventative medicine, then more power to them. That’s the only way I see them pulling their bacon back out of the fire they fell into earlier this year.
The H1N1 Influenza, once touted as a pandemic level disease, may in fact turn out to be a Godsend, in that it may provide information that would have applications that would help humanity greatly.
Existence of a pandemic is a question of morbidity, not mortality.
Best place for info on flu stuff:
PANDEMIC FLU INFORMATION FORUM
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=e7c7f0d63333122f537d3e51b397002e
Links at the top of the page have a lot of very good info. The guy who runs the site is some kind of molecular biologist (or something like that) and knows of what he speaks regarding flu virus stuff. And he is not a leftist nor is the main moderator.
So-called H1N1 flu is not over. The fat lady has not sung. I had it mostly likely twice (it is called a “low reactor” which means the vax doestn’ work very well and you can get it more than once) and it is a bitch of a flu. There are serveral strains of it circulating, in Eastern Europe there are changes in it which make it replicate in the lungs, which makes it much more of a killer. This is not over and pooh-poohing it doesn’t change objective reality.
BTW, the “36K people die a year from flu” is not a real number and the CDC finally admitted it a couple of weeks ago. The 36K number is statistical modelling that says more elderly people die in the winter than in the summer, supposedly.
Tested flu deaths a year run between 800 and 1200 a year.
The article above is nonsense.
April died of a MRSA like infection that got into her blood stream after a fall getting into a boat. Killed her in 19 days.
Destroyed her liver then her kidneys then her lungs.
Thanks!
Thanks!!
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