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Was the H1N1 Scare a 'False Pandemic'
TransWorldNews ^ | 1-11-10 | Beverly Hills

Posted on 01/11/2010 12:10:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance

The head of health at the Council of Europe, Wolfgang Wodarg, called the swine flu scare a “false pandemic” orchestrated by drug companies looking pull in large profits from the vaccines.

Saying it was “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century,” Wodark said, “[Swine flu] is just a normal kind of flu. It does not cause a tenth of deaths caused by the classic seasonal flu. The great campaign of panic we have seen provided a golden opportunity for representatives from labs who knew they would hit the jackpot in the case of a pandemic being declared.”

The WHO recently reaffirmed its position, saying that the pandemic is not over despite the number of swine flu deaths being dramatically lower than expected.

“We must make sure people can rely on the analysis and expertise of national and international public institutions,” said Wodark, “The latter are not discredited, because million of people have been vaccinated with products with inherent possible health risks.”


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KEYWORDS: fearmongering; h1n1; pandemic; scare; swineflu
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1 posted on 01/11/2010 12:10:44 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

No they just changed the definition of pandemic.


2 posted on 01/11/2010 12:15:22 PM PST by ully2 (ully)
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To: Indy Pendance

I thought that H1N1 was a new Russian helicopter .....


3 posted on 01/11/2010 12:16:23 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: Indy Pendance

bump for later commentary


4 posted on 01/11/2010 12:17:13 PM PST by joe fonebone (A third party does need the majority to control the house...they only need 10%)
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To: Indy Pendance

The facts are in. My opinion no longer matters.

I am waiting for folks who trashed me for predicting this to stop on by and say they’re sorry.

Crickets...

I don’t really expect it, and don’t really want it. I’m just sayin’...

What I want is for folks to dial it down 70 or 80 notches the next idiotic public health scare that comes along.

Absolute panic and fear-mongering is no substitute for being level headed and sticking to the known facts.


5 posted on 01/11/2010 12:17:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: Indy Pendance

I came with an inch of dying from it in October


6 posted on 01/11/2010 12:18:05 PM PST by clamper1797 (Would you hold my hand ... If I saw you in heaven ... to my angel in heaven)
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To: Indy Pendance

Scandal of the century? Maybe one of them...

H1N1 ranks right up there with Global Warming

And let’s not forget Bird flu from 2-3 years back...


7 posted on 01/11/2010 12:18:17 PM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Indy Pendance

It’s kinda strange that I just happen to know people who died from it and some who nearly died. That’s usually not true of communicable diseases.


8 posted on 01/11/2010 12:19:11 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Indy Pendance

It wasn’t the pharmaceutical industry pushing this thing.

If anybody had an interest in perpetrating a scare, it was the Obama administration, but I don’t see this either. They did their bit, but mostly it was public/media getting too excited in the way of madness of crowds.


9 posted on 01/11/2010 12:19:53 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: clamper1797

I think it’s one of those situations where if you weren’t affected, it was no big deal. If you were, it was very serious. Sad that children died from it (or anyone really). That being said, a few weeks ago my daughter and I went to the mall and there was a line of people going all the way through the mall and back down half way. We didn’t know at the time, but we found it was for free swine flu shots. All ages. There had to be close to 2,000 people there. I said I’d take my chances. I did have the regular flu shot but that was quick and easy. Glad you recovered, though.


10 posted on 01/11/2010 12:21:56 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: DoughtyOne

DoughtyOne, I’ve been with you, been sayin’ the same thing.

It’s a “false” pandemic okay, but one with a very real purpose. They’re scrambling for the next crisis to establish martial law so that they can suspend elections and seal the deal once for all as supreme power over the citizens.

Very simple and I’m no conspiracy nut but we see how they’re moving—they are not hiding anything.


11 posted on 01/11/2010 12:23:46 PM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: clamper1797

Sorry you experienced this. Not to minimize your illness, but was it any worse than a ‘normal’ flu where 50k+ people die every year? Granted, you were dealt the bad card, but didn’t the gov hype it? Standing lines in bad weather, doling out vaccines to the ‘privileged’ classes and all that. I’m really glad you’re here.


12 posted on 01/11/2010 12:24:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Scandal of the century? That would be Globull warming. Got a book?


13 posted on 01/11/2010 12:25:07 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Indy Pendance

I think so!

Now, here in WNY, there are signs: “There will be a third wave of H1N1. Get your shot!” or something like that.
NOW, they have so much vaccine left over, they don’t want it to go to waste...


14 posted on 01/11/2010 12:25:09 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: DoughtyOne

Level headed, that’s what’s needed around the country. Americans are not buying into all the liberal crap that everything is bad, and nothing we can do unless we embrace government will fix anything. We’re not buying the MSM’s force fed crap anymore. The American people see what government is doing, and we DON’T WANT IT. And we’ll remove from office, or engage in civil disobedience. It’s us or them, and US will win.


15 posted on 01/11/2010 12:29:25 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Indy Pendance

The new official definition of “pandemic” now is “a communicable disease that the government wants the population to be scared of.”


16 posted on 01/11/2010 12:29:28 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Looks like Mike Adams was correct (as usual)

Don't Inject Me
17 posted on 01/11/2010 12:32:42 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Indy Pendance

I am a perfectly healthy person who eats organic and keeps on top of health issues, works out, etc.

The H1N1 in December nearly killed me in 4 days. I had terrible pneumonia. Still do not feel completely well ever. Thank G-d for heavy antibiotics or I would be dead today.

I’ve had flus before but nothing like this.

So NO, I do not think it was only hype. They hyped up the vaccine, true, but we lost a lot of healthy people so far to this flu. It is BULLPOOP that this flu can only seriously hurt those who had pre-existing conditions. It can be a killer for the healthy as well.


18 posted on 01/11/2010 12:33:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Indy Pendance

Absolutely, it was the flu, regular old everyday flu. If H1N1 was a legit pandemic then every flu season is a pandemic and now the word has no meaning.


19 posted on 01/11/2010 12:35:19 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: Indy Pendance

I agree that it was a man made pandemic ... not a viral one


20 posted on 01/11/2010 12:35:55 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Indy Pendance

Of course. Only one of many manufactured crises...

H1N1, Bird Flu, “global warming”, “too big to fail” / “I had to abandon free market principles in order to save the free market”, the “hunt” for bin Laden, ...

There will be more soon, their work isn’t done yet.


21 posted on 01/11/2010 12:37:47 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: DoughtyOne
The facts are in. My opinion no longer matters.

Ahhhh, Come one now, We care.

22 posted on 01/11/2010 12:40:10 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Indy Pendance

The pictures posted all over the internet with everyone wearing the surgical masks in Asia helped to hype the hysteria and 0bama is not about to let a good crisis go to waste.


23 posted on 01/11/2010 12:40:39 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: ilovesarah2012

Spent four days in ICU Isolation ... very very sick. BP down to 70/30 ... kidneys failed. Not something I would recommend. All this 3 days after my lover had suddenly past away.


24 posted on 01/11/2010 12:44:22 PM PST by clamper1797 (Would you hold my hand ... If I saw you in heaven ... to my angel in heaven)
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To: Indy Pendance
As I understand it, the word "pandemic" only describes the spread of a disease, not how dangerous it is, etc.

By that basic definition, H1N1 absolutely WAS (still is?) a pandemic, as it has spread worldwide.

The problem seems to be (typical) MSM ignorance of what the word "pandemic" means and what it implies.

25 posted on 01/11/2010 12:45:15 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TexasCajun

Oh come on. You can do better than that.

I said my opinion no longer matters...

...then gave it anyway.

I deserved some honorable mention for that didn’t I.

Heh heh heh...

Some guys just don’t get any credit. (Fortunately...) LOL


26 posted on 01/11/2010 12:48:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: brushcop

I’ve been keeping my eyes open for that also. I don’t put anything past these leftist brain trusts.


27 posted on 01/11/2010 12:50:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: mbarker12474

We have a winner.


28 posted on 01/11/2010 12:50:24 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Indy Pendance

I agree Indy Pendance. Good call.


29 posted on 01/11/2010 12:50:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: clamper1797

Wow, that’s pretty tough. I am sorry you had to go through such an ordeal and pray you will find strength and comfort.


30 posted on 01/11/2010 12:51:59 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Yaelle

I’ve been praying I don’t get this strain. Organic, you need to research the microbes associated with it and it’s ability to manifest more diseases due to feces contamination.

Remember the spinach recall, organic orgin? I’m glad you’re here and on the mend. But you have to admit, the gov hyped this flu, 5k vs 50k annual deaths. Did you get a shot? Or were you ‘denied’?


31 posted on 01/11/2010 12:56:45 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks, I was so distressed about government health care (I couldn't sleep), until I realized, I'm not going to participate in their illegal activities. I'm so much more happy now. I've come to realize, I'm free, and I'm not going to participate and will do all I can to prevent them from ruling me. It's just that simple. We've been prepping since Nov 2008, we're ready. Bring it on liberals, We're Americans, we won't be rulled! We left Europe for that reason, we don't want it, and you're screwed!
32 posted on 01/11/2010 1:04:48 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Indy Pendance

Good for you Indy Pendance. I’m glad you came to terms with it. I know this is a stressful time. Don’t let it get to you.

Resistance IS NOT futile.


33 posted on 01/11/2010 1:09:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: mbarker12474

Anybody remember that we were all going to die with
Y2K Billion upon Billions spent and no matter how many of us said it was fallacy ..... the EXPERTS won.

Throw money at it .... software safeguarding firms made a fortune. Our gubmindt led by moron congresscritters couldn’t throw enough dollars at it ....

Use to use a mainframe and when our analog input devices reached their limit of 999, we penciled in the number 1 onto the console panel to the left of it. People have lost their mind.


34 posted on 01/11/2010 1:13:23 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: DoughtyOne

After a 31 yr. career in LE and still in the court system although retired, I see these power grabs all the time in local politics and they sure can get dirty and destroy folk’s reputations, families and careers what with the “professional” false witnesses on the prowl.

This in rural Texas. So our little circle of friends have stepped up to the plate, there’s several in JP positions, county commissioner slots, school board but it’s an eye-opener for J.Q. Citizen that just wants to see the right thing done, not sure if it’s worth it.

Power, power, the ability to rule over others, it’s a deadly “disease” and it means everything to some people as we can see.


35 posted on 01/11/2010 1:14:42 PM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh, I did let it get to me, until I realized, I’m FREE! I was just so wrapped up into the bills and the process and the talk shows and the talk.....

Then I thought, F dems, F them I’m not joining their game. I think more and more people are realizing, we’re a FREE people. Isn’t that key? Americans are Free, and the democrats are trying to take it away. Sorry, IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. You’ll NEVER RULE ME! And F the politicians. F the IRS, F the jails. Come and get me suckers! That’s my opinion. Sorry for all the F bombs, but, it’s relevant, and it’s how we feel. Is our government going to jail 10 or 50 or 100 million people without a fight? Are they going to have ‘soul trains’ to camps? Hah! It’s NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! Sorry dems, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

They ignored the tea parties and they ignored the townhalls. They won’t ignore the vote or the civil disobedience that will happen. (Oh, they’ll try the ACORN thing) Americans will not be ruled. We fought a revolution. It’s a plain and simple fact. The liberals don’t understand freedom, they don’t understand the majority. Liberals, rule us at your political peril...

So be it.


36 posted on 01/11/2010 1:25:37 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Former MSM Viewer; Indy Pendance
Scandal of the century? Maybe one of them...

H1N1 ranks right up there with Global Warming

And let’s not forget Bird flu from 2-3 years back...

The left learned a very valuable lesson from Y2K and that was that it's a lot easier to milk a panic if it doesn't have a pesky little expiration date attached to it.

37 posted on 01/11/2010 1:28:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Indy Pendance

Yes.
Scared the H out of people but got them to get ineffective shots. (shots lost potency)


38 posted on 01/11/2010 1:29:37 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: DoughtyOne; Indy Pendance

I know someone at CDC... I asked him if this was all hype. He obviously thinks their work is very important, but he admitted that fewer people were dying from this flu than from the usual flu that comes every year.

I think they were using this as a test case, like a war game, testing out their procedures for responding to a bio attack.

But really, I think this was quid pro quo to the pharmaceutical companies who were big donors. And I think they are laying the groundwork to be able to legally oblige people to take a vaccine. They generate a panic and then the sheriff accompanies the public health team coming to your jobsite. This isn’t about health but about establishing a legal precedent. I think.

For my part, I’ve never had a flu shot in my life. Most years I don’t get sick at all. Once every few years I might have some flu-like symptoms for a couple of days; you go to bed and drink liquids and in a day or two you’re fine.


39 posted on 01/11/2010 1:31:31 PM PST by marron
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To: Indy Pendance

Similar to Globull Warming!!


40 posted on 01/11/2010 1:32:09 PM PST by Laserman
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To: marron

The sad thing is, I can’t say if you’re right or not. It’s entirely possible.

My wife got both shots this year, normal influenza and H1N1 vaccines. I didn’t get either. She got ill three times between one and three weeks each. She exposed me to it.

I didn’t get sick once.

That’s life. LOL

Thanks for the inside on the CDC Marron. I think the CDC and the NIH did more damage to their credibility than they have any idea.


41 posted on 01/11/2010 1:36:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: Indy Pendance

Global warming hoax actually spans two centuries. Somebody claimed it started by European Greenie Trash about thirty years ago.


42 posted on 01/11/2010 1:40:41 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Indy Pendance
Lab made virus. Someone made a ton of money on this scare.
43 posted on 01/11/2010 1:42:00 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I would have been FAR more merciful if I had passed too ...


44 posted on 01/11/2010 1:42:32 PM PST by clamper1797 (Would you hold my hand ... If I saw you in heaven ... to my angel in heaven)
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To: Indy Pendance; AppyPappy

Today is my first day of work this year as I contacted it (or began showing symptoms) on New Year’s Eve. I had a high fever for four days and I don’t remember ever being so sick in my 40+ years of my adult life. Nothing to mess with - still getting back on my feet. Now as to how communicable it is, I’d say not that easy, as only a few I know have gotten it. But to those that have, don’t mess with it; real, real serious.


45 posted on 01/11/2010 1:42:39 PM PST by CedarDave (What Obama and Osama have in common: Both release their terrorism statements on audio tape)
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To: clamper1797
Just curious how old - or at least what age bracket are you in?
46 posted on 01/11/2010 1:43:29 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: arthurus
The new official definition of “pandemic” now is “a communicable disease that the government wants the population to be scared of.”

Sounds about right.

47 posted on 01/11/2010 1:43:56 PM PST by CedarDave (What Obama and Osama have in common: Both release their terrorism statements on audio tape)
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To: DoughtyOne; clamper1797; Yaelle; Indy Pendance; CedarDave
Spent four days in ICU Isolation ... very very sick. BP down to 70/30 ... kidneys failed

The H1N1 in December nearly killed me in 4 days. I had terrible pneumonia. Still do not feel completely well ever. Thank G-d for heavy antibiotics or I would be dead today.

Then I read stuff like the above and I don't know what to think. On the one hand, fewer deaths than the usual flu. On the other hand, the people who get it get hit hard and fast.

Maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. My pal at CDC thinks they get some credit, I think. Maybe they do. Me, my natural paranoia makes me suspicious of stuff like this, especially when I don't know anyone who has it. Maybe thats what FR is good for; now I (sort of) do.

48 posted on 01/11/2010 1:47:11 PM PST by marron
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To: Yaelle

So I am guessing that you developed a respiratory problem from the flu? If they gave you antibiotics for the just flu you were not receiving top notch care. Just curious what is your age group?


49 posted on 01/11/2010 1:49:11 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: mad_as_he$$

She was 39


50 posted on 01/11/2010 1:50:07 PM PST by clamper1797 (Would you hold my hand ... If I saw you in heaven ... to my angel in heaven)
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