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To: Mrs. Don-o; Guyin4Os; Ulysse

When I’ve helped at missions who help the poor and have volunteered to help the church with sermons at the same places, the people know that the way they are being helped is a direct result of the Gospel message of Salvation and not of simply “good works” and merely for “helping” people.

It’s part of the actual “help” in that the Gospel is given first and foremost even before any consideration of the help itself. And then any help, in the way of food or clothes or any other kind of assistance is given.

NOW..., if this organization were to set out the Gospel Message of Salvation as the first priority in their organization and all that it does and for all the actions that it is taking, then I would consider things differently.

But, I doubt anyone every hears the Gospel Message of Salvation and what is required in order for one to be saved, from the lake of fire and certain eternal damnation, even if they do all the good in the world.

I would make the Gospel message the first priority of any meeting, of any statement to others and to anyone who has the least little thing to do with it. And, in addition, I would make darned sure that all who participate actually do know what it takes in order to be saved, and is actually saved.

And so, you have this group do those two things (give the Gospel Message at every event or talk — and — their organizational priorities after that), at the same time (i.e., chew gum and also walk...) then I would reconsider, like I said...


22 posted on 12/31/2009 5:39:00 PM PST by Star Traveler (At Christmas - remember to keep "Christ" in the One-World Government that we look forward to)
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To: Star Traveler

If I can put it broadly, the church (all saved Christians) seeks to embrace the willing stranger into a shared relationship with the eternal Savior who provides for all. That’s the end game. Heaven come to earth but is not glued down to the mortal coil, it goes with you always.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 5:46:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Star Traveler
This group is not a church, properly so called, and is not offering a creed or a worship program or comprehensive theological statement. It is a group of Christians engaged in carrying out their obligations in a particular arena of action: as citizens and opinion-leaders in the public square.

By way of analogy, if it were a group of Christians involved in some other particular area--- e.g., say Christian realtors --- you wouldn't expect them to make a comprehensive creedal or evangelization statement, but to focus on their obligations as realtors. They might talk about truth in advertising, honesty in business transactions, abstaining from shady dealing and exposing fraud when they have knowledge of it, etc.

I, for one, appreciate statements which clarify my civil obligation in the public square. I feel the urgency of building a decent culture for kids (and someday grandkids) to grow up in, one which isn't so sin-sponsoring and death-dealing, so sickeningly corrupt.

44 posted on 12/31/2009 6:14:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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