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To: freedumb2003
It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

--Charles Darwin, Descent of Man, 1871

17 posted on 12/08/2009 6:42:03 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution: <<

The Bible is filled with racism and a lot more vitriolic (and downright violent).

Look at these additional quotes from Descent:

“Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual faculties.”

“It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant.”

“The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans are as different from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Feugians on board the “Beagle,” with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate.”

“I was told before leaving England that after living in slave countries all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the negro character. It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him.”

For 1821 that was very enlightened indeed from a white man. The conclusion that there may be lineage would be based on observation.

The article also notes in passing some of what you are trying to say, but then they have to acknowledge the OVERT RACISM of virtually EVERY WHITE PERSON in Europe of that day. So ALL science advancements from that period (there were many) are also based in racism. Chemistry, physics, medicine — all steeped in racism.

And the assertion does not affect Darwin’s work nor TToE. As I said (and you ignored), there is no research behind the asserted conclusion about how people react and its linkage to TToE.


20 posted on 12/08/2009 6:56:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution:”

—What was started by Darwin – the idea that blacks are closer to apes? Hardly. The idea of there being different human races, ranking them, and believing that blacks (or other races) are closer to apes was very common before Darwin and goes back centuries.

For example Charles White wrote a popular book in 1799 called “An Account of the Regular Gradation in Man” where he argued that blacks were intermediate between apes and whites (not in an evolutionary sense) and included this famous diagram:
http://www.strangescience.net/enlar/en_white2.jpg

(Darwin himself was rather ambivalent as to whether biology had anything to do with with Europe’s technological superiority and thought it may be purely cultural:
“The western nations of Europe, who now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors, and stand at the summit of civilization, owe little or none of their superiority to direct inheritance from the old Greeks, though they owe much to the written works of that wonderful people.”)


34 posted on 12/08/2009 7:53:42 PM PST by goodusername
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