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Why I commuted Maurice Clemmons's sentence
Washington Post ^ | December 7, 2009 | Mike Huckabee

Posted on 12/08/2009 3:42:46 AM PST by FTJM

The nation was stunned by the senseless and savage cold-blooded murders of four young police officers in Lakewood, Wash., over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. Whenever a police officer or soldier is killed, the loss is even more profound, for they are the ones who stand between our way of life and total anarchy.

Nine years ago, the name Maurice Clemmons crossed my desk. I commuted his sentence from 108 years to 47 years. I take full responsibility for my actions of nine years ago. I acted on the facts presented to me in 2000. If I could have possibly known what Clemmons would do nine years later, I obviously would have made a different decision. If I only had the same information I had then, I would make the same decision.

Each state is different, but in Arkansas, a governor doesn't initiate a parole -- the Post Prison Transfer Board (PPTB) does so after it conducts a thorough review of an inmate's file and request. The board then makes a recommendation to the governor, who decides to grant or deny it.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: clemency; elmergantry; huckabee; leo; mauriceclemmons; multiplehomicides; police; policeofficers; pontiuspilate; whenconmengetconned
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1 posted on 12/08/2009 3:42:46 AM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

Huckabee is a pro-gun...pro life, socialist....

He wants the rich to fund the poor and the illegals to be given pardons....

he is neither conservative, nor anything like it....and not electable.


2 posted on 12/08/2009 3:46:15 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: FTJM

It’s quite telling that he ran to the Washington Post to run his excuse.


3 posted on 12/08/2009 3:49:24 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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ON THE INTERNET:


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GATEWAY PUNDIT.FirstThings.com: "Black Muslim Group Celebrates 'Brother & Martyr' Maurice Clemmons" by Jim Hoft (December 1, 2009, 11:51 am)

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SEATTLE TIMES.com: "...STOLEN-CAR CHECK LED TO LAKEWOOD POLICE-SLAYING SUSPECT" (SNIPPET: "The officer again told Clemmons to stop, and he didn't comply, Pugel said. As the officer drew his gun, Clemmons "reached into his waist area and moved," the department said in a written statement. The officer then fired several shots at Clemmons, striking him at least twice, the statement said.") (Page last modified December 2, 2009, 2:00 am)
SEATTLEPI.com - SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER: "OFFICER WHO SHOT CLEMMONS IS HAILED AS A 'HERO'" (Last updated December 1, 2009, 6:37 pm PT)

MICHELLE MALKIN.com - blog: "Seattle Police Department on trail of Maurice Clemmons; Update: Family Ramily reportedly aiding Clemmons; Update: Seattle PD officer fatally shoots Clemmons; Update: Suspected getaway driver is former Arkansas cellmate" (November 30, 2009)
OFFICER.com (AP): Seattle - "SEARCH CONTINUES FOR WASHINGTON AMBUSH SUSPECT" (SNIPPET: "Authorities put up a $125,000 reward for information leading to his arrest.") (Updated November 30, 2009, 05:43 pm) (UPDATE: SUSPECT IS DEAD. -December 1, 2009)
KOMO NEWS.com: Seattle - "SARCH FOR CLEMMONS LEAD POLICE TO SEATTLE HOME" (SNIPPET: "Investigators on the scene said negotiators are trying to get the man inside to surrender.") (Updated November 29, 2009, 10:55 pm PST) (UPDATE: Clemmons not in the home.)
KHQ.com: Pierce County, Washington - "POLICE NAME PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE SLAYINGS OF 4 POLICE OFFICERS" SNIPPET: "The person of interest is identified as Maurice Clemmons, a 37-year-old man from the Parkland area of Pierce County. Clemmons is 5'8" tall, 235 lbs., with black hair, brown eyes, and a mole on his left cheek. Authorities say Clemmons has extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. He has also recently been arrested and charged in Pierce County for Assault 3rd on a Police Officer and for Rape of a Child.") (Note: Photo included below article.) (Posted November 29, 2009, 5:57 pm)
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SEATTLEPI.com - SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER: "4 OFFICERS KILLED IN PIERCE COUNTY" (SNIPPET: "Authorities are looking a person of interest..." SNIPPET: "Police said the suspect may have been injured, perhaps shot before fleeing the scene...") (Updated November 29, 2009, 3:51 pm)
KING5.com: Parkland, Wa - "FOUR LAKEWOOD POLICE OFFICERS SHOT AND KILLED IN 'AMBUSH" (SNIPPET: "Send donations to LPIG Benevolent Fund at PO Box 99579 Lakewood, WA 98499. "I will personally make sure it goes where it is intended. May God bless you four who are in a place so much better than this; you are some of the finest professionals I have ever known. God bless our community today," Wurtz said.") (Updated November 29, 2009, 3:22 pm)
NEWSER.com (AP): "4 POLICE OFFICERS SHOT DEAD IN AMBUSH AT WASH. STATE COFFEEHOUSE; NO SUSPECT IN CUSTODY" "SNIPPET: "Brad Carpenter, founder and owner of Forza Coffee, said his staff was OK and being interviewed by police, and that his main concern was with the families of the police officers. "I'm a retired police officer, so this really hits close to home for me," said Carpenter, of nearby Gig Harbor.") (November 29, 2009, approx 1:50 pm)
KING5.com: "FOUR LAKEWOOD POLICE OFFICERS SHOT AND KILLED IN 'AMBUSH'" (SNIPPET: "SNIPPET: "Troyer said the suspect is a black male, 5-foot-7 to 6 feet tall, 20s to 30s, scruffy appearance, wearing a black coat with a gray sweatshirt underneath, and blue jeans. A $10,000 reward is being offered for information. Tips can be called in to (253) 591-5959 or 866-977-2362.") (November 29, 2009, 9:41 am)

SEATTLE FBI.gov - Contact Information

DINAH LORD - blog: "WA: 4 POLICE OFFICERS SHOT DEAD IN AMBUSH" (November 29, 2009)

LAKEWOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT


KIRO TV.com: "MAN SOUGHT IN OFFICERS' KILLINGS HAS LENGTHY CRIMINAL HISTORY" (Updated November 29, 2009, 8:52 pm)

ARKTIMES.com - ARKANSAS TIMES - Arkansas blog: "ARK. EX-CON OF INTEREST IN SLAYINGS" (SNIPPET: "My source says the man wanted for questioning is believed to be the same Maurice Clemmons as an Arkansas ex-con with an extensive record of armed robbery who became a subject of some controversy for political reasons. That Maurice Clemmons was among those who became controversial for having received a commuted sentence from then-Gov. Mike Huckabee in 2000 (of a 35-year armed robbery sentence), then went on to commit other crimes.") -Posted by Max Brantley (November 29, 2009, 19:44)

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4 posted on 12/08/2009 3:49:29 AM PST by Cindy
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To: FTJM
I commuted his sentence from 108 years to 47 years. [...] If I only had the same information I had then, I would make the same decision.

Then he's not only (demonstrably) a moron; he's a moron with a learning disability.

5 posted on 12/08/2009 3:50:45 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: FTJM

I don’t care, Mike.

It’s between you and The Lord now.

Tell Him.


6 posted on 12/08/2009 3:51:02 AM PST by chris37
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To: FTJM

Good ol huckster....sleaze ya can always count on.


7 posted on 12/08/2009 3:52:15 AM PST by rrrod
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To: FTJM

ass clown


8 posted on 12/08/2009 3:52:34 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: FTJM

If I could have possibly known what Clemmons would do nine years later, I obviously would have made a different decision. If I only had the same information I had then, I would make the same decision.

It’s obvious the huckster didn’t have the same information the jury and the judge had at the trial.


9 posted on 12/08/2009 3:52:34 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: FTJM

Too late, Mike. I’m tired of listening to you.


10 posted on 12/08/2009 4:01:18 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: FTJM
I could not stop laughing after reading his response.
11 posted on 12/08/2009 4:02:20 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Huckabee is history. He needs to get out of the way and not consume any more band width.


12 posted on 12/08/2009 4:04:11 AM PST by bytesmith
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To: bytesmith
He needs to get out of the way and not consume any more band width

I'd be perfectly willing to change the word "bandwidth" in that sentence to "oxygen," myself.

13 posted on 12/08/2009 4:06:36 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: FTJM

Under NO circumstances, should he be given the powers of presidential pardons.

Period.


14 posted on 12/08/2009 4:07:12 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: FTJM

Huck, you’re still toast. Now is not the time to be worrying about yourself but for the families of those police officers who lost their loved ones due to your incompetence.


15 posted on 12/08/2009 4:07:43 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: FTJM; sitetest; All
I suggest reading the following post from our fellow Freeper 'Sitetest', in which he effectively dismantles the Huckster's logic:

Part of the problem is that a sentence of 108 years wasn't really a sentence of 108 years. From what I've read, without the commutation to 47+ years, the murderer Clemmons would have been eligible for parole around 2015 after having served around 26 years of his sentence.

With the commutation of his sentence, he was eligible immmediately, having served around 11+ years.

Thus, in Arkansas, it appears that one must only serve around 25% of one's sentence to be eligible for parole, and to actually sentence someone to a moderately long sentence - like 25 years - a judge must give an ostensible sentence of four times that - in this example, 100 years.

And then folks say stupid things like, “It's so terrible that one would sentence a 16 year old to 100 years in prison,” when really, the net effect was to sentence the perp to 25 years in prison.

This person Clemmons, as a young man, brutally beat several people, including an old lady that he was robbing, stole large amounts of valuables and weapons, and even in custody, attempted violent crimes against prison personnel, court personnel, and credibly threatened a sitting judge.

Twenty-six years in prison doesn't seem an overly harsh sentence for someone like this at all. And it seems that a formal sentence of 108 years yielded just that - about 26 years in prison.

Gov. Huckabee’s commutation reduced his formal sentence to 47+ years, but his actual sentence to about 11 years. And that was far too short a sentence for such a violent offender.

To say otherwise is disingenuous, bordering on lying.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2401392/posts?page=117#110

Thank you again Sitetest! :)
16 posted on 12/08/2009 4:09:34 AM PST by mkjessup (Dec 8, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama asks Japan for their Terms of Surrender...)
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To: FTJM

You can sense the “draft Huckabee” movement gaining steam at WaPo and the rest of MSM.

After giving us Juan McCain, they now want to saddle us with the Huckster.

I’m not buying.


17 posted on 12/08/2009 4:20:58 AM PST by mike-zed
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
he's a moron with a learning disability
The best description of Mike Huckabee that I've read to date. Thanks, Kent.
18 posted on 12/08/2009 4:31:53 AM PST by samtheman
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...and the love-fest for Huckabee from the “No RINOS” crowd begins again. (sigh)

Last year it was McCain. Two weeks ago it was Romney. Last week it was Huckabee. Maybe next week it’ll be someone else.

That “Big Tent” is getting smaller every day.


19 posted on 12/08/2009 4:35:55 AM PST by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: FTJM

So many people had a chance to correct Huckabee’s mistake and still they let Clemmons slip through their fingers. They need to explain themselves rather than hide while Huck takes all the fire.


20 posted on 12/08/2009 4:39:34 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't 't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: submarinerswife

Huck,

Quit while you’re behind.

Sincerely,

A former Huckabee backer


21 posted on 12/08/2009 4:41:35 AM PST by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your 2 cents sir.


22 posted on 12/08/2009 4:42:48 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: FTJM

I don’t like Huckster either, but, this charge is unfair. He commuted teh sentence, he didn’t make the decision to release him. Upon release, they were numerous incidents and parole violations that various cogs in the machinery failed to act upon.


23 posted on 12/08/2009 4:46:23 AM PST by Homer1
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To: FTJM
Huckster timeline:


24 posted on 12/08/2009 4:48:11 AM PST by maggief
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To: FTJM

There is NO excuse or reason for this.
Huckabee and a lot of others have used the power of the pardon inexcusably.
Many sold pardons. Did you Huckster?
And if you said no I would not believe ya there pal.

Just say NO to RINO turds.


25 posted on 12/08/2009 4:49:03 AM PST by Joe Boucher (This marxist punk has got to go.)
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To: FTJM
“I commuted his sentence from 108 years to 47 years.”

This is a classic,Obamaesque twisting of the facts and saying something, that while technically true, completely misrepresents the situation. It is very much like the Obama claim that illegals would not be covered that provoked Joe Wilson's, “You, lie!”

In reality, Huckabee’s clemency allowed that psychopath, Clemmons, to be released immediately, after only 11 years. He would have been eligible for parole in 2015, after 25 years. The 108 and 47 years were just numbers that in no way reflected the actual amount of time Clemmons would have spent in prison and Huckabee knows this!

So, in reality, Huckabee reduced his true sentence from 25 years to 11, a foolish, liberal decision that caused the death of 4 police officers.

I used to like Huckabee,
but his slimy distortion of the truth in the Clemmons matter has put him in the same class as Romney, in my book. If Huckabee some gets the GOP nomination I will contribute to and work for a third party candidate. He has shown himself to be completely devoid of integrity.

26 posted on 12/08/2009 4:51:01 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: FTJM
What I'm reading between the lines here is that he is planning on running for President, otherwise he wouldn't feel compelled to gloss this thing over.

I suppose he will be the RINO in waiting that the Republicans will be looking for as a candidate.

27 posted on 12/08/2009 4:51:47 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: Homer1

Somewhere on another Huck thread there is proof that Huck is not as innocent as he makes it seem.

I believe there was evidence that he was actively enabling this guy to be released when he was.


28 posted on 12/08/2009 4:55:59 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: FTJM

The non-sequitor between the second and third paragraph shown here is jarring.

He starts talking about the decision to grant clemency, but immediately switches to parole (because he didn’t control that decision).

My major beef with Huck’s record on clemency is that he was highly active in granting it, but does not wish to acknowledge that the rate of clemency actions greatly increases the probability of serious recidivism or even escalation.

Huckabee did not cause those four officers’ deaths. But Huck’s record and rate of clemency postulates that more good people will die at the hands of people he decided to favor. Huck’s ambitions for higher office had damned well better be dead after this, especially given his “I take responsibility, but it was someone else’s decision” stance as defined in his op-ed here.


29 posted on 12/08/2009 4:59:06 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Vaquero

Old Huckabee is playing the blame game. Not the kind of guy you’d fight out of a foxhole with. He’s as spineles bleeding heart liberal. Has he explained all the pardons he doled out to convicted felons while he was governor? From what’s been said he handed out more pardons than any other Ark. gov. including Bill “the stain” Clinton.


30 posted on 12/08/2009 5:00:41 AM PST by kenmcg (THE)
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To: Texas Jack

******I suppose he will be the RINO in waiting that the Republicans will be looking for as a candidate*****

He is now the chosen GOP candidate the MSM will promote for the party nomination. ala McCain.


31 posted on 12/08/2009 5:01:08 AM PST by sodpoodle (Stop wasting our wealth and start telling the truth.)
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To: FTJM
neither warn nor cold so you shall be will spit out...
32 posted on 12/08/2009 5:03:12 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: sodpoodle

I starting to think Arkansas Politcans atr all spineless.


33 posted on 12/08/2009 5:03:23 AM PST by scooby321
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To: submarinerswife

Huckabee opened the flood gates by reducing this mans sentence to 47 years. Don’t you find it at all interesting that, gee by golly, that was the exact timing to make Clemmons immediatly eligible for parole and by golly he was parolled. Such magic. The failure was started by him, he opened the floodgate and made it possible for this monster to be out and committing more crimes. That does not excuse the failures by others.

Huck is the only one talking because he wants a political career.


34 posted on 12/08/2009 5:06:33 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: FTJM
I commuted his sentence from 108 years to 47 years.

Why to 47?

Why not 50? or 10? or 18?

Because 47 made him eligible for parole.

Man-up Huck. You knew what you were doing and why.
35 posted on 12/08/2009 5:08:48 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Between Huck constantly defending letting a murderer go free and Mitt constantly defending a healthcare plan that bankrupted the state.... looks like it’s going to be

S-A-R-A-H !!!


36 posted on 12/08/2009 5:16:10 AM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: TomGuy
Why to 47? Why not 50? or 10? or 18? Because 47 made him eligible for parole. Man-up Huck. You knew what you were doing and why.

The Huckster can't man up. He's a slimy lying weasel from start to finish. Remember the campaign ad with the big moving cross, that he swore he never noticed? He's a frigging liar, period. Which would be bad enough in a Tricky Dick pol, but in a "man of God" it's absolutely disgusting. He makes Elmer Gantry look honest and sincere by comparison.

37 posted on 12/08/2009 5:16:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sodpoodle

Since many primaries are “OPEN” and MAO-bama will have no opposition, I expect many liberals to crossover and vote for RINOs like huckster to defeat conservatives like Sarah.


38 posted on 12/08/2009 5:17:25 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: mike-zed

You and I may not buy the MSM foisting the Huckster upon us. BUT, if Obama selects him as his opponent, the GOP can’t stop Obama’s minions from flooding the primaries in 2012 with votes for the Huckster. The GOP can prevent this by closing their primaries and ending “same-day” registration, but they won’t make that effort.

My prediction - Obama runs against either Huckabee or Romney, whichever one will keep the most conservatives at home on election day.


39 posted on 12/08/2009 5:20:58 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: FTJM
Dear Mr. Huckabee:

Please go away. We don't need anymore @ssholes from the Arkansas governor's mansion in the White House -- or even consuming bandwidth on Al Gore's Internet.

Sincerely,

Alberta's Child

40 posted on 12/08/2009 5:42:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Texas Jack
What I'm reading between the lines here is that he is planning on running for President, otherwise he wouldn't feel compelled to gloss this thing over.

Maybe. I'm also wondering if he's just desperately running around trying to save his credibility and maintain his relevance as a high-profile name in the media.

41 posted on 12/08/2009 5:44:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Maybe. I'm also wondering if he's just desperately running around trying to save his credibility and maintain his relevance as a high-profile name in the media.

Huckabee is all about promoting himself. Maybe he knows his POTUS ambitions aren't realistic, but the day a Republican takes the oath of office, Mike will have visions of a White House appt. going thru his empty head.

Meanwhile, he's pimping his hypocritical books and yukking it up with Liberals on his TV show. He's fighting for survival and no way in hell is he EVER going to take an ounce of blame for this.

sw

42 posted on 12/08/2009 5:51:46 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: FTJM

Mike, maybe the Lord will forgive you, but hopefully the voters won’t.


43 posted on 12/08/2009 5:52:15 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: chainsaw

The Judge who presided over the trial recommended commuting the sentence.


44 posted on 12/08/2009 6:02:45 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: sodpoodle

“******I suppose he will be the RINO in waiting that the Republicans will be looking for as a candidate*****

He is now the chosen GOP candidate the MSM will promote for the party nomination. ala McCain.”

No, Huckabee was a conservative potential that the left blew up with the help of ignorant so called conservatives who don’t bother to discern what they read nor research.


45 posted on 12/08/2009 6:06:29 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: TomGuy
>>>Why to 47?

Why not 50? or 10? or 18?

Because 47 made him eligible for parole.

Man-up Huck. You knew what you were doing and why.<<<

Great point! It seems like a rather odd “coincidence” that Huckabee commuted his sentence to an odd length, exactly short enough to make Clemmons immediately eligible for parole, and he was released a month later.

Clearly, Huckabee intended that Clemmons be released immediately.

If he had simply sincerely apologized and admitted he was convinced Clemmons was reformed and that 25 years was too long a sentence, I'd forgive him. I would not trust his judgment enough to vote for him, but I wouldn't have such a negative view of him. All the deception and playing games with words and numbers he has employed, in trying to escape responsibility for his tragic mistake, is making me really dislike Huckabee. I can only imagne how hurtful it must be to the families of the murdered officers. I believe a sincere and unconditional apology would have given them some degree of comfort. Huckabee's twisting of the truth must be making them feel worse.

46 posted on 12/08/2009 6:11:04 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: FTJM

Give it up, Huckster. You are melba toast.


47 posted on 12/08/2009 6:40:41 AM PST by paddles
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To: FTJM

Spread the blame around, jaaa.

California has No Fault gubamint too.

These could have as easily been 4 police officers murdered in Oakland. Oh wait..


48 posted on 12/08/2009 10:09:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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Memorial Service is ongoing in Tacoma, WA for the four fallen officers.


49 posted on 12/08/2009 10:11:28 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

“It’s quite telling that he ran to the Washington Post to run his excuse.”

The MSM hopes to keep Huck alive so as to split the Evangelical vote, they’re hoping he can sink Sarah before she gets a chance to go against 0bama. The MSM will beat up on him for awhile, but find a way to sweep it under the rug or make excuses for him. Of course should Huck actually win the GOP nomination in 2012 and go up against 0bama all this crap will be “re-visited.”


50 posted on 12/08/2009 10:53:33 AM PST by jim35 (A racist is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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