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Why We Care About Honduras: Three Powers Compared
Foreign Policy Association ^ | 12/06/2009 | Richard Basas

Posted on 12/06/2009 11:47:17 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Andres Oppenheimer of the Miami Herald wrote an intriguing piece recently on the splash effect of the coup, or crisis, or whatever term least offends someone of Honduras’ new leadership and recent election, and how the major powers in Latin America have tried unsuccessfully to remedy the situation. Oppenheimer argues that the US, Brazil and the OAS have all succeeded in failure in their own unique ways. Failure for the three comes as follows. For Brazil, its “hypocrisy” of recognizing Iran’s and Cuba’s undemocratic leadership, while criticizing Honduras’ recent elections. For the US, the “flip-flopping” that comes with a constant backtracking of statements on Honduras. This is most poignantly shown in the support the US gives to the new government, while asking for greater cooperation, often after the fact when it is too late to alter elections or policy decisions. The OAS, comes in with its own actions of “one-sidedness” for taking the side of Zelaya completely and ignoring the rights and established powers of the institutions of Honduras and their legal system in ousting the former President. The Oppenheimer article is one of great interest and makes very strong points against the major powers in the region, one well worth a read.

(Excerpt) Read more at latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andresoppenheimer; brazil; centralamerica; honduras; latinamerica; manuelzelaya; oas; porfiriolobo; statedepartment; tegucigalpa; zelaya

1 posted on 12/06/2009 11:47:17 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove
What this so called administration did to Honduras is the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of America. Strangely, the media has been quiet about it for the most part. But I doubt history will be very forgiving of the ones vision of hope for Honduras.
2 posted on 12/07/2009 12:01:11 AM PST by JoSixChip (It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. km_freep@yahoo.com)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I don’t think this was one of ObaMao’s bonheaded disasters. I think it was coldly deliberate to show that he had the power to FORCE the people of Honduras to re-instate his communist brethern.

I think Sir Hope’nchange almost wet his pants that Americans would be taking notice of how easily it was done peacefully and without a shot fired.

If you’ll notice, he’s ordered a build-up of troops within the homeland to a strength of 1,000,000 by January 30th, pulling personnel from military peace keeping bases all over the planet.

I hope he doesn’t sleep well at night waiting for the knock on his door in the middle of the night.

Americans who have young family members in the military need to be informing their young what he’s up to. Thousands are joining the Oathkeepers, as well as law enforcement. We have get them to understand they will be called upon to fire against Americans who love this country and are trying to save it.

The last civil war in the US 3.5% of the population was killed off because the people were fooled it was fighting a great humanitarian war, when in fact it was fought over the tariffs from the ports the south held that fed the government coffers.

We can’t afford to let them fool us again.


3 posted on 12/07/2009 1:37:37 AM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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4 posted on 12/07/2009 3:49:45 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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5 posted on 12/08/2009 4:39:14 PM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal is in Iraq.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
The US on Honduras is a symbol of America’s lack of effectiveness on many foreign issues, but is more of a reflection of the passive response to Latin America by the US since 2002,...

The US's failure in Honduras is more a reflection that it was abjectly wrong about what happened there. The president, Zelaya, tried to change an unchangeable part of the Honduran constitution. That is treason by any measure and the Honduran legislature and Supreme Court overwhelmingly slapped Zelaya down in a perfectly legal and constitutional manner.

0ba-Mao, Hillary and the State Dept. all backed the position that Mel Zelaya's treason was some sort of high democratic principle that must be upheld. Typical liberal support of lawlessness when it suits a liberal agenda.

6 posted on 12/08/2009 5:19:45 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

I agree with you. The goal by the new government is to go into the Brazilian Embassy and root out Zelaya.


7 posted on 12/08/2009 6:05:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Let him sit there until even Chavez won’t return his calls.


8 posted on 12/08/2009 6:48:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

Why should we let him fester there and be a focal point for every Commie in Latin America? There is a point where the Honduran goverment will say enough is enough. Time to root him out of there.


9 posted on 12/08/2009 8:34:07 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I doubt that anybody is going to pay attention to him anymore. As for rooting him out, embassies are sovereign territory so it would only cause Honduras unnecessary trouble. Just make sure he doesn’t sneak out and get away.


10 posted on 12/08/2009 8:41:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

The risk to storming the embassy will be a short term embarrasment. Karl Von Clauswitz one said,”It is true that we should always choose the case with the lease uncertainty.That would be a terrible mistake.There are instances in which the most daring action is the wisest choice”


11 posted on 12/08/2009 8:46:05 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove
For what benefit? Ego satisfaction?

The consequences of violating the sovereignty of an embassy could be to bring together a coalition of other governments to do what they had in mind in the first place. It would also put their own embassies in danger. Either you support the rule of law that Honduras has taken great pains to protect or you don't.

12 posted on 12/08/2009 9:14:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

My Grand Uncle (who happen to be President of Honduras fo 18 years) did things their way. This is going to happen sooner or later.


13 posted on 12/09/2009 12:32:08 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: TigersEye

Either Zelaya is going to walk out of the Embassy or he is going to be dragged out.One of these two options will happen. The Honduran people are fed up with him.


14 posted on 12/09/2009 12:36:31 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

That’s too bad. Honduras has acted exceptionally through all of this. I suppose sooner or later the mob mentality will prevail though.


15 posted on 12/09/2009 12:40:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

Read more about my Grand Uncle General Tiburcio Carías Andino how he handled things while President of Honduras. They have stadiums and streets named after him


16 posted on 12/09/2009 12:44:18 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: TigersEye

Here is a picture of him. The General is the gentleman on the right. The man on the left is the British Ambassador. This is from my personal archive.
17 posted on 12/09/2009 12:54:58 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: TigersEye

By the way.... He had my grandfather arrested and Somoza of Nicaragua stopped him from being executed and paid his bail


18 posted on 12/09/2009 4:32:17 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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