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Goldman Arming Itself? :->
Market Ticker ^ | 1 Dec 2009 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 12/01/2009 8:05:57 AM PST by DuncanWaring

Goldman Arming Itself? :->

This is a riot (well, ok, I might be a week - or a month early on that):

Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- “I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,” said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.

Let me give those fine bankers from Goldman Sachs (and the other big banking and trading houses) a few pieces of advice.  And yeah, it's unsolicited and free, so you figure out whether it has value.

  1. A handgun is a close-quarters defensive weapon.  The FBI says that of shootings involving a handgun, most happen at something like 7 feet (yes, feet) of range or less.  Oh, and you'd be surprised at how many people miss at that same seven feet.  No, guns in real life don't work like in the movies where each bullet has a GPS in it and directs itself to its target, and when shot people don't go flying backward through windows.  Guns simply make holes in things, wherever they are pointed when they go "bang" is where the bullet will travel, and all the energy that goes into the target also goes into your body (Newton's laws of motion and all.)

  2. There are, by some estimates, more firearms in America than there are people.  Americans bought something like 20 billion rounds of ammunition this year alone.  Indeed, there are shortages of many sorts of ammunition and have been all year.  While some of that lead undoubtedly was expended at the practice range, an awful lot of it is being stockpiled.  Everyone who is stockpiling it in various amounts is doing so for different reasons, and most would self-declare it as protection against "zombies."  Definitions of "zombie" differ.

  3. There are a lot of hunting rifles in America.  Most hunters can easily hit a deer-sized target at well beyond 100 yards with said rifle.  I'm willing to bet that Mr. Investment Banker can't hit the broadside of a barn at 100yds with his brand new pistol that he's probably never fired, and probably never will.

  4. Don't bother with soft body armor.  It's useless against rifles.  It is effective against pistols, which is why cops wear it (see that FBI stat about most handgun battles happening within seven feet.)  But again, a hunter can easily hit a deer-sized target at well beyond 100 yards, common hunting rifles are legal almost literally everywhere, even in places like NYC, and a person armed with a handgun doesn't have a prayer in hell defending against a person with a rifle 100 or more yards away that has drawn a bead on them.

  5. Unless you're prepared to practice with that weapon on a regular basis, and unless you have personally been in a life-threatening situation (a real one, not some mock-up or fake "game" run at some "weekend commando" class you were undoubtedly sold to make you feel macho with that shiny new handgun) there is at least a 50% chance that if you really do wind up confronted by some crazed nutball at close range you will either miss or worse, freeze - and the "bad guy" will simply take your gun from you and then kill you with your own weapon.  Go ask the military about this - studies have shown that despite putting new soldiers through a grueling "basic training" course a very significant number of them will, when first confronted with an enemy shooting at them, intentionally fire high - that is, they miss on purpose in their first firefight.  It turns out that most people have a hard-wired aversion to killing other humans. That's probably a good thing but psychopaths seem to be missing that inhibition.  If someone really does come after you they're pretty much by definition one of those psychopaths.

Finally, if you're a "big banker" and concerned about your safety you might want to consider that in the 1800s there were lots of guns too, and yet they were both unnecessary and inadequate.  Bankers during the panic of 1873 were simply hauled out of their offices bodily and hung from the lamp posts. We don't have lamp posts any more in Manhattan, so you have an advantage there, and I've not noted a run on boiled rope. 

Yet.

A better strategy for your self-protection is to turn state's evidence and rat out someone else.  Like your boss, for instance.

Get on the side of the people and help them.  You folks in those tony executive suites (and suits) know full well that this entire bubblelicious line of BS you ran on middle-class America for more than two decades was an out-and-out fraud.  It is impossible to argue otherwise - after all, it really is just fifth grade math on the nature of exponential functions, and unlike most of America it has to be presumed that if you got a Harvard MBA you passed.  Therefore it can also be assumed that claims of ignorance will not serve you.

Let's face it - the economy isn't going to recover.  All the stories I hear (and now Bloomberg is willing to print, which is surprising) in the anecdotal department are that you folks have your Gulfstreams fueled up and your bug-out bags packed and sitting by the door. 

Most of you have figured out the math - there's simply too much debt that you created and sold off into the market, and you've all patted yourselves on the back as you walked out of Treasury smug in the "knowledge" that you'd be bailed out.  Remember this picture?

Yeah, it was all good, right?  Uh, well it was - for you.  But for the rest of America, it sucked.  You took the "CARD" act (the Credit Card reform act) and used the delay in its implementation to ram down Americans throats 29.9% interest rates and huge reductions in credit lines - even for those who had never been late.  The Fed (one of you folks - banksters all) could have told you to cut it out and in fact demanded that you do so, but of course didn't.

The supposed "zero interest rates" are great for your bonuses - record bonuses, right?  But nobody in America is getting the benefit except you.  We the people are all paying more to borrow - when we can borrow at all.  Bank Credit is contracting at a record rate.  The stock market is on a tear, gold is on a tear, oil has more than doubled since March.

But if you go to Harlem in NY City you don't see "economic recovery."  Nor do you if you step outside of the enclaves in Washington DC where everyone sucks on the government tit.  No, what you see is both the NY and California State Governments on the verge of insolvency, property and other taxes heading to the moon to try to keep the states from having to fire police officers for lack of funds, and the crumbling of our infrastructure - along with the hiss of an overpressurized "social safety net."

The vampire squid sucked too much blood (debt service requirements) and now the host is dying from volumetric shock, all the while screaming not for whole blood (all gone!) but anything - even an injection of saline simply to make up the volume.

Now please don't get me wrong - I happen to think that you should not lend more.  After all, we're here because we got drunk on credit, and you can't drink yourself sober, despite what CNBS keeps screaming about and calling for (including "The Donald" this morning, who's one of those folks who I suspect is going to wind up with all of his so-called "wizard deals" in the pine box of Chapter 7.)

No, we as a society need to go through the DTs and detox.  Some of us will go bankrupt.  That's ok.  Indeed, if you as a citizen were imprudent - if you lied about your income to get a mortgage, if you played the HELOC game to pay off a credit card you ran to the sky (and then did it again - and again!), if you put yourself into a debt hole from which you cannot reasonably climb out, you should declare bankruptcy and get it over with.  Discharge that which you can, take the hit to your credit and reputation, and learn from the experience. 

Frugality isn't a sin, it's a virtue.  It is, indeed, the first step of true capital formation - which is how, ultimately, we create jobs - and true prosperity.

In this vein you need to come out and tell the truth - you lent too much and you're NOT going to do it any more - no matter how loud people scream.  We need reality in this country, not more fantasy.

But you folks who stole all this money? 

You need to give it back. 

Yeah, we know you can't give it all back since you blew some of it on Netjets to various exotic vacation destinations and high-priced hookers.  We understand that.

What America doesn't understand and is increasingly unwilling to tolerate is the smug grin you folks have on Wall Street, having not only run Americans into bankruptcy but when your imprudent lending threatened to bankrupt you instead of sucking it up you extorted Congress to the tune of more than $12 trillion in direct support and guarantees. 

That is you forced the bankrupt consumer to go broke twice and cover your imprudent acts, as all that money to cover up your insolvency is now being forcibly extracted from Main Street by the government through taxes!

Here's the problem, in a nutshell: If we don't get the debt out of the system - really get it out, not just shuffle it around and shift who's balance sheet it sits on - we can't restart true economic growth. 

Without true economic growth we cannot regain the lost jobs, and people cannot regain their ability to earn an honest living and support themselves and their families.

You and I both know that The Government cannot continue to run $1.5 trillion deficits for very long.  Indeed, it might be able to do it for even one more year.  Ultimately Uncle Sam's credit card will come back declined just like the subprime homeowner, and when it does the thin veneer that has papered over the bankruptcy you have served up on the American people and her government will be ripped away like a bandage that has adhered to a scab.

That's when the riots start and both you and I know that too.  It's why you're buying those guns.

But the guns won't save you if ugly times come.

Only preventing the riots will save you, and preventing the riots means we must stop bankrupting the country.

That in turn means we must stop ladling on more and more debt - HERE AND NOW!

Getting that bad debt out means that both borrowers (who are already going bankrupt) and lenders (who are thus far being protected) need to go bust. 

That's reality. 

This is beyond politics, wishes, dreams or desires - it is mathematics.

Justice, on the other hand, demands that the frauds and abuses not stand.  No, ripping off Jefferson County Alabama is not acceptable, and paying a fine is not enough.  People need to go to prison.  Ditto for the other cities and states where these scams were run - and that's a huge number.

I understand your fear, Wall Street.  If I robbed Main Street America of trillions of dollars I'd be afraid too.

Main Street is angry, and with good cause - and the "moguls" who claim that happy days will return if we can all start charging up our credit cards and HELOCing our houses again are not only wrong they're poking sticks into a hornets nest.  That's right out of "Dumb and Dumber."

Arming yourselves won't solve the problem you created, and it also won't protect you should the mood in America turn truly ugly.

Do the right thing Wall Street.

Not only will it be good for your soul, it will be good for Main Street.



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To: DuncanWaring
I disagree with Karl. Handguns could indeed be of use to Goldman employees.

Anyone so incensed with investment bankers that he/she feels it's time to take them out, is unlikely to settle for an anonymous pot shot from several hundred yards away.

Such a person usually wants to look into the eyes of his/her victim and see the fear in that person's eyes and make it clear to him/her that "justice" is about to be done. It's part of the deal for people who consider they've been wronged. Before they dispatch their victim, the victim has to know that he/she has lost and the executioner has won.

21 posted on 12/01/2009 8:34:18 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: DuncanWaring

Excellent commentary!!!

True on so many levels.

Your words ought to spread across the social networking sites, like Twitter, Facebook, Digg, and all the other ones(including the newish ones).

I’ll do my part to make it happen(it only takes one individual to start something, BTW).

And thanks so much for posting this.


22 posted on 12/01/2009 8:34:43 AM PST by hyperconservative (Fight 2 Win.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009; FromLori; blam; muawiyah; Nachum
Does anyone happen to know if either of Matt Tiabbi's articles, published in Rolling Stone Magazine, were ever posted to Free Republic?

If they were not posted here, then why not?

Sure the author wrote for Rollingstone, and certainly he was interviewed on AIR AMERICA; however, I also heard plenty of conservative talkshow hosts have him on as a guest, too.

IF these ever got posted to FR, does anyone have links to the two messagethreads?

NOTHING at GOOGLE ....http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Afreerepublic.com+%22Matt+Tiabbi%0D%0A%22

23 posted on 12/01/2009 8:37:02 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DuncanWaring

Well, it’s good up to a point. Government had as much or more to do with the housing crisis as bankers did. The current govt $8,000 give back on new home mortgages is just more of the same. So, who do we hang first? The politicians or the bankers?


24 posted on 12/01/2009 8:37:31 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: AAABEST
It's interesting, to say the least, that their tea leaves are telling them to arm themselves.

I won't go into all my analysis (I'm nobody special anyway), but my own prediction/analysis has a troubling dual path leading to the same end of massive riots hitting about the summer of 2013. The dual path I'm referring to is either (1) a conservative resurgence followed up with stern and serious austerity measures to balance the budget or (2) continued Democratic dominance resulting continued spending and erosion of the dollar, etc., leading to increasing economic paralysis and collapse.

Either way, I'm expecting that the pain either from welfare cuts or from economic collapse will be hitting critical mass following the 2012 elections. I just hope we have that long.

25 posted on 12/01/2009 8:37:52 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Dewey Revoltnow

I don’t blame him a bit.

ACORN has already passed out maps to his home, I’m sure.
The Democrats are clearly trying to whip-up an anti-bank jihad as part of their desperate class warfare strategy for 2010. Would not doubt that some deeply in debt and over the edge personality may present a physical threat.

I may not like a lot of what Goldman does but that does not justify a death sentence.


26 posted on 12/01/2009 8:38:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: DuncanWaring

I have been unable to reach tickerforum.org or market-ticker.org this morning. Is anyone else having this problem?


27 posted on 12/01/2009 8:38:52 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: DuncanWaring; melancholy

Looks like they’re preparing to protect themselves from 0b0z0’s ACORN minions and maybe a few irate taxpayers as well.


28 posted on 12/01/2009 8:39:49 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Great column. And, yes, Goldman is at the heart of this mess. Paulson was the Treasury Secretary who conned Bush into passing the “Bailout” TARP package.

And he was the guy who orchestrated the October economic surprise that elected Obama.

Obama was a big-time recipient of campaign donations from Goldman employees. Second only to Chris Dodd.

So, it was bankers and politicians working hand-in-hand. Stepping up the CRA act under clinton. Cozying up between the Congressional Black Caucus and Fannie Mae. Suing banks to force them to make bad loans. Bundling these government-guaranteed bad loans into derivatives and shooting them around the world.

I don’t think Bush was on the inside, but he contributed by failing to respond to the dangers and by letting spending go out of control again.

Which is not to say that European bankers, and some Asian bankers, weren’t doing the same thing. But let’s worry about our own problems first.


29 posted on 12/01/2009 8:41:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Read the two Matt Tiabbi articles about Goldman Sachs being “The blood sucking vampire squid stuck on the face of humanity ... forever"

Love to... Link?

30 posted on 12/01/2009 8:42:12 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: hennie pennie

The proper spelling of “Taibbi” yields 180 hits:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Afreerepublic.com+%22Matt+Taibbi%0D%0A%22


31 posted on 12/01/2009 8:43:00 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Liberty1970

I’m expecting that the pain either from welfare cuts or from economic collapse will be hitting critical mass following the 2012 elections.

No need to worry. The World is going to end Dec 21 2012. Just ask the Mayans and Discovery channel.


32 posted on 12/01/2009 8:43:26 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: eyeamok
Now off to buy some rope.

I'll bring the tar and feathers.

33 posted on 12/01/2009 8:44:30 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: DuncanWaring
The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.

These REMFs are deluding themselves. When the populist uprising comes, their little popguns won't save them.

34 posted on 12/01/2009 8:46:24 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: DuncanWaring
Oh my.... thank you VERY much.

This must be the first time at google, that the Big.Bro.Spellcheck didn't ask me, "

Thank YOU so much!!!

35 posted on 12/01/2009 8:47:59 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
People will travel to Aruba with Tar and Feathers.

Don't have to travel with 'em...these two commodities are readily available whereever one goes.

36 posted on 12/01/2009 8:48:23 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: saganite
So, who do we hang first? The politicians or the bankers?

You hang the politicians, I'll hang the bankers. Or, you hang the bankers, and I'll hang the politicians. Take your pick. With me, es macht nichts.

37 posted on 12/01/2009 8:51:04 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: hennie pennie

Yes the Rolling Stone article about the great vampire squid was posted I could find it if I could remember the title. I may have been the one who posted it lol but I would have to go back through pages and pages do you remember the title?


38 posted on 12/01/2009 8:57:51 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori; CHICAGOFARMER

Looks to have been posted at least once, by chicagofarmer:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2286227/posts


39 posted on 12/01/2009 9:01:19 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: saganite; Liberty1970

The dual pathed collapse of America is an interesting concept as both are very plausible. I have been telling my friends and family that I expect 2010 to be worse for the simple reason that the can was kicked down the road. State and local governments were either temporarily saved by the stimulus or they dipped into rainy day funds. Those options won’t be available for next year which is when the real cuts will occur. The second shoe is about to drop with commercial real estate and now the oil rich Arabs will likely default on billions of loans. Throw a job killing healthcare and or Cap and Trade bill and unemployment...well...


40 posted on 12/01/2009 9:01:51 AM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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