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So much for gun control
The Daily Sound (Santa Barbara, Calif.) ^ | Nov. 10, 2009 | RANDY ALCORN

Posted on 11/10/2009 12:07:19 PM PST by neverdem

There is little to salvage from last week’s mass murder at Fort Hood, Texas, but there are some stark realizations this heartbreaking horror exposes. One is the wishful but mistaken notion that such incidents can be prevented by laws prohibiting or strictly restricting access to firearms. The Second Amendment not with standing, U.S. military bases prohibit unauthorized personnel from carrying firearms on base. Access to military weapons is carefully restricted and weapons are secured in armories.

Never the less, even within the well regulated conditions of a military base, a man was able to acquire and conceal two powerful personal handguns which he used to murder 13 people and wound dozens of others.

The argument that a prohibition against firearms will eliminate the possession of firearms by anyone is clearly refuted by the ample empirical evidence that prohibition simply does not succeed in its intended objective when the subject of the prohibition is something that enough of the population wants. No matter how draconian the restrictions or dire the legal consequences prohibition is defeated by desire.

Prostitution, booze, and drugs are or have been prohibited by law with no appreciable effect on eliminating any of them. In fact, illegal drugs consistently find their way into prisons—the most secured, restrictive institutions in society. Obviously, if prison inmates can gain access to drugs, and military base personnel can gain access to guns, in spite of heavy security and strict prohibitions, how will laws prevent anyone from having either?

While good people are rightly concerned and alarmed by the lethal violence visited on society through the device of firearms, rational people understand that there is no legal magic wand that will abolish such violence simply by prohibiting possession of the device. People who want guns will get them. People who want to harm others will do so, but the amount of harm they can do could be reduced if more people were armed rather than disarmed.

If among the murdered and wounded at Fort Hood any had been armed, the slaughter would have been less. The gunman would have been confronted by people who could defend themselves rather than by helpless victims. Free people should not only be able to arm themselves, they should be able to carry those arms on their person as they do their cell phones. Self defense is among the most basic of human and civil rights.

Those who fear a dangerous wild-west scenario if citizens were freely armed should consider that there is danger now. There are not enough armed police to be everywhere all the time, and anyone can be caught in a situation as occurred at Fort Hood. Most people who drive cars do not drive them recklessly, and most people who own a gun do not go about shooting others without just cause.

Another realization coming out of the Fort Hood incident is that twisted minds often wrap themselves around fixed ideologies. That, however, does not prove a cause and effect relationship between a particular ideology and the detrimental behavior of those with twisted minds.

The murdering major at Fort Hood was a devout Muslim who was heard to shout “God is Great” as he mercilessly and methodically shot his victims. Not unexpectedly, after the shootings there soon followed threats against mosques and condemnations of Muslims.

If murder and savagery can be eliminated by eradicating a religion, then not one but nearly all religions, and many political ideologies, must be eliminated as well. Damaged psyches, weak minds, and evil souls embrace and employ ideologies to justify their heinous actions and to salve their psychological pain. These disordered minds can be found within the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish faiths. There are also practicing paranoids preaching hyper-patriotic versions of political ideologies who can become mass murders for the cause. Recall Timothy McVeigh.

Eliminating entire categories of people based on their religious or political beliefs will be ineffective in riding society of senseless violence. Savagery and mayhem lurk under even the thickest veneer of civilization. Wackos will simply blend in to what ever social milieu is available and pervert any ideology to validate their homicidal violence.

Unless and until science can develop a flawless wacko-meter that detects these aberrant personalities, they will always be moving unidentified among us. Ironically, the perpetrator of the Fort Hood massacre was a psychiatrist, the closest thing we have to a wacko-meter. So, maybe we should round up all the shrinks.

There are no ready remedies to prevent further incidents as occurred at Fort Hood, but there is awareness, for those with open minds, that police state restrictions or targeted pogroms would not only be ineffective, they would undermine the very essence of freedom and justice upon which this nation was founded, and eventually make victims of us all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; forthood; hasan; prohibition
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1 posted on 11/10/2009 12:07:20 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Wow, this coming out of a California newspaper?


2 posted on 11/10/2009 12:20:58 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: neverdem
People who want to harm others will do so, but the amount of harm they can do could be reduced if more people were armed rather than disarmed.

Sound reasoning.

I have carried for years & while not a panacea, it at least affords one the chance to save a life.

3 posted on 11/10/2009 12:24:26 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem

This is a very well-written article. If one is to learn anything from the Ft. Hood tragedy it is the need for Americans to be permitted to arm and defend themselves. Imagine if the two police officers had not been present to stop this killer. There would have been many more deaths, likely until he ran out of ammunition.

Preventing military personnel from being armed on a military base is insanity. Preventing Americans from being armed is just as foolish. Someone like this could just as easily appeared at a shopping mall, a park, a ball game...the list goes on and on.


4 posted on 11/10/2009 12:31:32 PM PST by tnye
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To: neverdem

The idiot Bill O’Reilly keeps saying this terrorist “had access to military weapons”. None of his guests have pointed out to this moron that the terrorist used a privately-purchased, non-military issue pistol. He probably wouldn’t understand that anyway. I remember O’Reilly claiming the NRA wanted citizens to own “bazookas”. His stupidity really irks me.


5 posted on 11/10/2009 12:31:41 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: tnye

All of our local schools have “Gun Free” signs at the entrance.

What a brilliant way to inform the cowards that our schools are soft targets.

This is just one of many reasons we homeschool.


6 posted on 11/10/2009 12:37:45 PM PST by proudpapa (Obama - Worst One Ever!)
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To: neverdem

This should teach us that there is no “behind the lines” anymore. Also, never fully trust a Muslim.


7 posted on 11/10/2009 12:38:54 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: neverdem

Most Military Officers and Senior NCOs have a HUGE Gun Grabbie bent for SOME reason(I do nor know why). Any Comments?


8 posted on 11/10/2009 12:42:00 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: tnye
Uh, maybe well written but not well reasoned. These disordered minds can be found within the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish faiths, is a snippet of awkward and unjustified equivalence toward the end of the column.
9 posted on 11/10/2009 12:47:24 PM PST by Jacquerie (All muslims are suspect.)
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To: US Navy Vet

As a friend recently explained to me, military officers face less risk of negative career repercussions from a terrorist shooting up people at an army base than they would if a soldier misused a gun and caused a deadly accident.


10 posted on 11/10/2009 1:09:33 PM PST by Uncledave
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To: neverdem
If murder and savagery can be eliminated by eradicating a religion, then not one but nearly all religions, and many political ideologies, must be eliminated as well.
Yeah, those terrorist Amish should be the first to go. </sarcasm> (if it's needed)
11 posted on 11/10/2009 1:17:20 PM PST by Bob
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To: neverdem
According to a 1st hand account from Ft. Hood , the shootings continued for 6-10 minutes before the first police showed up (the female civilian cop and her partner). By that time, Hasan had liesurely blasted away and then left the shooting gallery going outside to kill more people. After he was down, it was another 45 minutes before cops in tactical vests showed up, and another 30 minutes for the SWAT team to get there.

So much for a fast reaction. Unfortunately, it is typical of what can be expected in these situations.

It was surpassingly lucky the first 2 cops showed up (around 10 minutes into the slaughter) and they were able to take Hasan down without dying first themselves or who knows how many more would have died? Hasan had plenty more ammo, targets, and time available.

If a few soldiers in the building had been personally armed with CCW weapons it might have made a huge difference.

Instead, as usual, the unarmed victims were sitting ducks in a legally mandated Gun-Free Zone,... "gun free" except for their Islamist executioner, of course!

12 posted on 11/10/2009 1:45:39 PM PST by Gritty (It's no longer a game. People will die because of actions taken by this country's leftists-JR Dunn)
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To: neverdem

>>>There are no ready remedies to prevent further incidents<<<

If Maj. Nasan had started firing in a room filled with armed soldiers, he would have gotten off only one or two rounds before being sent to those 72 virgins. As Mr. Heinlein said, an armed society is a polite society.


13 posted on 11/10/2009 1:46:20 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Gritty
..the shootings continued for 6-10 minutes before the first police showed up (the female civilian cop and her partner).

Preparing to be flamed..

No "Let's Roll" moment. Hmmm

14 posted on 11/10/2009 2:02:12 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: tnye
Yes, consider that there were something like 300 soldiers in the area – but they were disarmed so it took 1 women with a Gun to stop it.

Why don't we let the people we entrust with defending the country defend themselves?

15 posted on 11/10/2009 2:02:33 PM PST by Voice of Reason88 (Every Commie must grasp the truth that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun MaoTse-dung)
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To: neverdem

No gun rules do not help. Rules are there to keep the good folks good. Bad folks don’t give a **** for rules.


16 posted on 11/10/2009 2:08:06 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: US Navy Vet
"Most Military Officers and Senior NCOs have a HUGE Gun Grabbie bent for SOME reason(I do nor know why). Any Comments?"

Sure.....

Most youths entering the military are immature little zits that go hog wild when they get that paycheck.  They become Rambo but don't want the discipline  that goes with the training.  There are too many who are kicked out because of "unable to adapt".  All the leadership needs is an idiot with a gun who decides he doesn't need discipline and wants to get revenge.

However, I believe anyone who completes an accredited ( by military instructors) carry course and been signed off by his chain of command should be able to carry a weapon on post. 

17 posted on 11/10/2009 2:23:10 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: neverdem

This is from Santa Barbara????? They’re liberal even for the land of fruits and nuts. The times, they’re definitely a’changin!


18 posted on 11/10/2009 2:55:10 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ozzymandus

O’Reilly is a jerk. You think he’d feel more responsibility, sharing initials with the Bill of Rights, but oh, well...


19 posted on 11/10/2009 2:56:53 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: tnye

He’s correct about the right of self defense, but that’s not
the gist of his article. He goes off the deep, deep end later in the piece.


20 posted on 11/10/2009 3:08:45 PM PST by Freedom4US
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