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To: Liberty1970
"You are quite wrong in your ignorant comments about biblical creationists believing in fixity of species or that God created all species just as they are"

Really, am I? Want me to dig out the threads on FR about the only results of mutations being "corruption" and "degeneration"? This directly implies the belief in the fixity of species. The observable fact, however, is that we see this differentiation, and this differentiation serves the purpose of allowing species to thrive in certain specific environments, and it is by no means a manifestation of "degeneration". But this mechanism too much resembles the hated concept of evolution... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2342888/posts?q=1&;page=1

16 posted on 11/10/2009 9:36:11 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: Behemoth the Cat
"We are vocal here because biblical creation is the bedrock on which conservatism is founded. "

The belief in Biblical inerrancy (itself acceptable), additionally evolved (od perhaps devolved) into the concept of inerrancy of the literal interpretation of some cherry-picked passages of the Scriptures(*), is indeed expressed by some Protestant sects. There is conservatism also outside these sects, believe it or not.

(*) Want to discuss about Biblical foundations of geocentrism and the belief in the flat Earth?

18 posted on 11/10/2009 9:46:01 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: Behemoth the Cat
Really, am I? Want me to dig out the threads on FR about the only results of mutations being "corruption" and "degeneration"? This directly implies the belief in the fixity of species.

"Degeneration = fixity" Fascinating. And bizarrely wrong.

Degeneration and fixity are mutually exclusive concepts. If a species is degenerating then it is not fixed. Look, Linneaus discovered species hybridization over 200 years ago and realized that his species concept did not equal biblical 'kinds.' So your caricature of creationists believing in fixity of species has been out of date literally for centuries. I don't doubt that you can find some grandma somewhere who believes in fixity of species, but what would you say if I started depicting Lamarckism as the latest and greatest in evolutionary theorizing?

The real issue is whether life is on an 'upwards' path of increasing functional complexity and organization and functional diversification, or are we degenerating. The overwhelming evidence of empirical evolutionary biology testifies to the latter, as documented in books like Genetic Entropy by Dr. John Sanford and Not A Chance! by Dr. Lee Spetner. Against the caricature of "change vs. stasis" we have the real issue of "degeneration vs. evolution". It's not wonder evolutionists simply refuse to address the evidence on these terms.

23 posted on 11/10/2009 11:41:20 AM PST by Liberty1970 (God: He who honors Me, I will honor.)
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