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Creationism, Minus a Young Earth, Emerges in the Islamic World
New York Times ^ | November 2, 2009 | Kenneth Chang

Posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:34 PM PST by Alter Kaker

AMHERST, Mass. — Creationism is growing in the Muslim world, from Turkey to Pakistan to Indonesia, international academics said last month as they gathered here to discuss the topic.

But, they said, young-Earth creationists, who believe God created the universe, Earth and life just a few thousand years ago, are rare, if not nonexistent.

One reason is that although the Koran, the holy text of Islam, says the universe was created in six days, the next line adds that a day, in this instance, is metaphorical: “a thousand years of your reckoning.”

By contrast, some Christian creationists find in the Bible a strict chronology that requires a 6,000-year-old Earth and thus object not only to evolution but also to much of modern geology and cosmology, which say the Earth and the universe are billions of years old.

“Views of scientific evolution are clearly influenced by underlying religious beliefs,” said Salman Hameed, who convened the two-day conference here at Hampshire College, where he is a professor of integrated science and humanities. “There is no young-Earth creationism.”

But that does not mean that all of evolution fits Islam or that all Muslims happily accept the findings of modern biology. More and more seem to be joining the ranks of the so-called old-Earth creationists. They do not quarrel with astronomers and geologists, just biologists, insisting that life is the creation of God, not the happenstance consequence of random occurrences.

The debate over evolution is only now gaining prominence in many Islamic countries as education improves and more students are exposed to the ideas of modern biology.

The degree of acceptance of evolution varies among Islamic countries.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; islam; notagain
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1 posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:34 PM PST by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

Well, by current creationism logic, that means that creationism=islam.

You and I know that is not the case, but we need to rigidly apply the same logic across the board, right?

I will await the response of the YECers, but I won’t hold my breath.

And I, too, have a database of quotes, folks.


2 posted on 11/02/2009 8:09:53 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts; count-your-change; GourmetDan; editor-surveyor

Ping


3 posted on 11/02/2009 8:12:40 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts; tpanther; christianhomeschoolmommaof3; metmom; xcamel; CottShop

Ping......


4 posted on 11/02/2009 8:13:16 PM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: freedumb2003

Teach the controversy! Let’s get American schools to teach Islamic Creationism, alongside Christian Creationism, Hindu Creationism, and, um, science.


5 posted on 11/02/2009 8:20:54 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Once again, a Times headline contradicts its own news story. The article reports that the Islamic world is moving away from a traditional understanding of creation, and by and large moving to a partial acceptance of evolution - yet the title oddly reverses that story.


6 posted on 11/02/2009 8:24:09 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Alter Kaker
The Hare Krishna are antievolutionists too.

And, of course, many of the current rationales for young earth creationism were first devised by a Seventh Day Adventist, George McCready Price (and later cribbed, with scant attribution, by Southern Baptist Henry Morris), not directly based on the text of the Bible, but rather to support supposedly infallible visions by Adventist founding prophetiss Ellen G. White.

In short, the history of modern antievolutionism laced with marginal cultism.

7 posted on 11/02/2009 8:25:54 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: Alter Kaker
so where did these Muzzies get the thousand years comparison? could it of been out of the Christian book of Peter?
8 posted on 11/02/2009 8:26:34 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: freedumb2003

Islam is a deliberate slap in God’s face. - It is the worship of the moon god.

The Koran was written by Kabbalist Jewish sages, who are no more believers than the Islamists that they mocked.

Npthing times nothing is...


9 posted on 11/02/2009 8:35:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Natural Law

Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 11/02/2009 8:36:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: freedumb2003

That’s just snotty and dumber than dog crap.


11 posted on 11/02/2009 8:37:37 PM PST by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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To: Alter Kaker
"Teach the controversy! Let’s get American schools to teach Islamic Creationism, alongside Christian Creationism, Hindu Creationism, and, um, science."

Why did you leave evolution out? (or is that what um-science is?) um = un?

12 posted on 11/02/2009 8:38:58 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: vpintheak
"That’s just snotty and dumber than dog crap."

He knows, and he thanks you for the complement!

13 posted on 11/02/2009 8:40:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
The Koran was written by Kabbalist Jewish sages, who are no more believers than the Islamists that they mocked.

So you're saying the Koran is a Jewish conspiracy?

Excuse me? What sewer did you crawl out of, exactly?

14 posted on 11/02/2009 8:52:41 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

No conspiracy, but probably a rip-off.

Mo couldn’t read or write, so he hired the job out.

(No, I’m not going to keep company with you in your sewer)


15 posted on 11/02/2009 8:57:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: vpintheak
That’s just snotty and dumber than dog crap.

I can always expect the standard reaction from Luddites.

Thanks for meeting expectations.

16 posted on 11/02/2009 9:12:03 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: editor-surveyor
He knows, and he thanks you for the complement!

I see your mommy let you use the computer again.

You are so cute when you try to talk for yourself.

17 posted on 11/02/2009 9:13:42 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Alter Kaker

>>Excuse me? What sewer did you crawl out of, exactly?<<

The sewer of the self-righteous. e/d is the example of people who are so low that they need to justify their hate and stupidity by blaming others.

It is NOT conservatism he justifies — just hate.


19 posted on 11/02/2009 9:21:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: editor-surveyor
No conspiracy, but probably a rip-off. Mo couldn’t read or write, so he hired the job out.

I'm sorry, but you have to be pretty deranged to blame Islam on the Jews.

Did Jewish and Christian tribes convert to Islam? Sure. Did their religious texts influence the Koran? Of course.

But that's not what you said. You said "The Koran was written by Kabbalist Jewish sages, who are no more believers than the Islamists that they mocked," which is so ridiculous it's practically self-parody.

What have the Jews ever done to you, EP?

20 posted on 11/02/2009 9:29:53 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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