Patrick Henry "Ratified": The Treaty Power, It's Perils and Portents

Wildergarten.com ^ | 10-26-09 | Mark Edward Vande Pol

[Carry_Okie]

The disparity AuntB points out is indeed an important precedent that hangs responsibility around the necks of the President, the Congress, and the courts of every generation, where it belongs.

[HKMk23]

It has been my observation that — even here at FR — increasing numbers seem more interested in being witty, and having their wit seen and acknowledged, than engaging serious subjects in any real depth. Not that there are no serious minds left around here, but the energy levels seem to have fallen way off, and the forum taken as a whole lacks the vigor and vitality it once had. I don't know whether it's just that folks are weary, or whether it's a sign of a deeper malaise; perhaps the onset of acquiescence to Doom.

I have long sensed that Something Wicked This Way Comes. The looming oppression has dispirited me at times, and I can see very easily how anyone might become convinced to get out of the fight, and go get some joy out of life, while there is still joy to be had. For my part, I am facing the possible loss of The Republic with a sober disquiet; arguing up front to abort Copenhagen, but grimly acknowledging that I will likely have to deal with the fallout of it, and trying to decide up-front what options will remain to be pursued.

When everything that can be shaken has been, will to pay the cost to stand up for whatever remains? That is a question for which I think it best to have formulated an answer BEFOREHAND.

[LomanBill]

>>Looks to me like tribalism sir.

Obviously, but AMERICA is a Republic - not a Tribe.

Thus it says E PLURIBUS UNUM  on top of the Capitol

not

E PLURIBUS TRIBAL BALKINZATIONUM

“WE MIGHT AS WELL REQUIRE A MAN TO WEAR STILL THE COAT WHICH FITTED HIM WHEN A BOY

AS CIVILIZED SOCIETY TO REMAIN EVER UNDER THE REGIMEN OF THEIR BARBAROUS ANCESTORS”
—Thomas Jefferson.

The purpose of this Republic, this Governance rested upon a Legal Framework, being to protect the INDIVIDUAL from subjugation by the collective - whether that collective be mercantile, religious, Tribal, or other in nature.

“TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men”

If the reset button on American governance is going to be pushed, the Phoenix rises Here, where the Declaration of Independence is carved in stone upon the wall:

[neverdem]

President Obama will almost certainly not travel to the Copenhagen climate change summit in December and may instead use his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to set out US environmental goals, The Times has learnt.

UK Times, thanks for the essay. I'll link it on one of my threads.

[Carry_Okie]

Obviously, but AMERICA is a Republic - not a Tribe.

Do I deserve such condescending tripe?

The Levitical plan for Israel was to be a nation of tribes spreading from the Nile to the Euphrates. Apparently you missed that.

Thus it says E PLURIBUS UNUM on top of the Capitol E PLURIBUS TRIBAL BALKINZATIONUM

It sure as heck didn't mean "from many individuals, one nation." The motto speaks of a union of states, and hence federalism. Interesting also is that so much of the Constitution was from the Iroquois, but I digress.

Strange that you argue from individualism, and thence to the state. Did you know that this is a central tenet of fascism? My point was that extended family loyalty is clearly central to the exercise of liberty, a principle that is woefully missing in the discourse of individualism and one also having powerful military advantages. Your disparagement of tribalism as inherently barbarous is misplaced, especially considering the tribal intellectual sources of that republic you've raised to the level of borderline graven image.

[Buchal]

BTTT. Nice work, as usual.

[GladesGuru]

“Gandhi, OTOH... made salt.”

Ghandi was a de facto commie.

Ghandi got rid of the British in India, thus freeing the Muslims to express their inner savage and Pakistan was the result.

So far, the socialism of Ghandi has done more damage to India than the British ever could have done - even had they ruled the place until Christ returned.

Socialism is destructive.

PS read SHEMITTA and then pass it along to your friends. PPS Don’t forget tomprint our Patric Henry “Ratified” for all you know.

[GladesGuru]

Typo correction time.

“tomprint” should be “to print”, and Partic” should be “Patrick”.

Signed,
Fumblefingers

[LomanBill]

>>The Levitical plan for Israel

Applies to Israel.

Not to America.

>>Did you know that this is a central tenet of fascism?

Fascism is the mandated self-worship of the state.

Precisely the opposite purpose of the American Republic: TO SECURE THESE [individual] RIGHTS.

[LomanBill]

>>Ghandi was a de facto commie.

Regardless of his ideology, the point of interest is his clever and successful strategy in using the strength of the adversary against it.

In this case, the exploited strength was the British desire to be perceived, and to perceive itself, as moral.

The British could only go so far in the suppression of Gandhi’s salt making before it was in danger of losing that moral perception.

Obviously this tactic wouldn’t have worked against someone like the Nazis or the Soviets.

[SuperLuminal]

Wow! Just like taking castor oil....when I was a kid...Shows you how old I am...

No hope....No change...The experiment is over....

[LomanBill]

>>My point was that extended family loyalty is clearly central

E PLURIBUS UNUM  

From many PEOPLES/FAMILIES/TRIBES one Nation.

 

Many individuals, collectively united via American Ideals,

and in those American Ideals, all committed to the liberty of each and every of Individual one them.

 

All for one and one for all.

 

One Nation, Under Almighty God, bound together by our provident AMERICAN ideals written in stone within the walls of the Jefferson Memorial:

 

[LomanBill]

>>WRT the expression of religious freedom, does that include Islam?

Jefferson’s religious freedom was INDIVIDUAL religious freedom, a relationship manifested between the Individual, their Creator, and others freely choosing to so relate.

And that clearly excludes Islam and any other theocratic entity that would impose its will upon the individual - via “TEMPORAL PUNISHMENTS OR BURTHENS”.

[GladesGuru]

The commie, Muslim, Nazi, whatever brand of collectivists one chooses, are all equally indifferent to human life and suffering.

When we are in a war with any of the above groups, we must never allow the enemy to keep us from using our strength to defeat them.

If that means destroying entire villages, or even cities, they forced us to do it. Note what an aroused America did to Dresden and Hamburg, to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Time to play unlimited Cowboys and Muslims.

“A nuking we shall go, a nuking we shall ..........”

Islam Delenda Est - because they gave us no other choice.

[Carry_Okie]

Don't know if you saw this.

[neverdem]

Don't know if you saw this.

Go back and check comment# 64 of your thread. I'm on Joe Brower's banglist. I linked your thread on this one of mine:

Fight to allow weapons aboard Amtrak trains could derail transportation bill

Your thread is the first link in comment# 14.

[Carry_Okie]

Thx, just wanted to be sure you knew.

[Carry_Okie]

Don’t know if you saw this and forgot to ping you. Sorry.

[Renegade]

Never screwed until you are unarmed or dead !

[LomanBill]

E Pluribus UNUM
With Liberty and Justice for ALL



The workmen on the left were speaking Spanish/English. The Capitol Policewoman is Black. Various other individuals in this photo were observably representative of other ethnicities; and, with the exception of tourists - ALL, to the extent they are United - UNUM - by the same American Ideals - are AMERICANS.





E Pluribus Soccer Team

The founders observed the power of self-evident truth; and in the manifestation of that truth within the moral compass of the Individual - for whom "ALMIGHTY GOD HATH CREATED THE MIND FREE".

Think about it.