Posted on 10/15/2009 11:51:17 AM PDT by chessplayer
(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S., according to a Zogby poll commissioned by the Center for Immigration Studies.
“In Mexico, Mexicans overwhelmingly – especially those who have family here (in the U.S. )– overwhelmingly say that it (amnesty) would encourage illegal immigration in the future.”
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Then they should go there and be loyal.
Wholesale, in buses without air conditioning.
So 70% of Mexicans are openly admitting that even if granted US citizenship, they would maintain their loyalty (over the US) to Mexico.
The reason our elected officials are so eager for more and more Mexicans is because they know Mexicans are loyal to their own and could give a rip for non-Mexicans. Mexicans also have never thrown off the tyranny of socialism so as long as something for free (provided by taxpayer who Mexicans view as suckers) they will continue to vote for the lefty (i.e., Democrat).
The reason for Republics giving in so easy? Hey, they’re hoping for leftovers.
They need to go home in non air-conditioned busses and experience the richness of their culture, for example the lack of food inspectors and the lush awesomeness of foodborne diseases.
....no surprise here....they don’t want to assimilate into American culture...they just want the benefits that the Anglo-European/Judeo-Christian culture gives them.
“Vitter: Reid wants illegals counted in the Census”
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/15/vitter-reid-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-census/
They are, by definition, Mexicans, and they belong there!
Me thinks this may explain our collapsing American culture.
so, keep the 19.7%, educate the 11.5%, and send the 68.8% packing!
A message from Mike Cutler about this article:
Hi Gang:
As you probably know, the administration and members of Congress in both houses are making it abundantly clear that no matter how many times a great majority of the citizens of the United States have made it crystal clear that they want our nation’s border secured and that they do not want illegal aliens to be given amnesty under the aegis of a program such as that which is called for under the terms of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” that they will press on with this program.
I am also quite certain that you know how adamantly I have been opposed to any such massive amnesty program for a number of reasons, beginning with my concerns about national security- to put it succinctly, there is no way that the beleaguered agency that would have to administer this ill-conceived program, USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) could handle the massive workload that would be created.
In fact, a string of reports issued by the investigative arm of Congress, the General Accountability Office (GAO) and by the OIG, the Office of the Inspector General, the government agency that is charged with investigating allegation of nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance have made it absolutely clear that USCIS demonstrates incompetence, ineptitude and, on occasion out-right corruption in its day to day work today. How in blazes could this agency run a program in which they would have to most likely process an minimum of an additional 100,000 applications each and every day, filed by illegal aliens who are euphemistically referred to “undocumented,” providing this illegal aliens with lawful status in our country and hence with official identity documents even though there is no way of readily determining the true identities of these millions of illegal aliens?
If an illegal alien who ran our nation’s border provides a false name, it is a virtual certainty that this background check would not pose a problem for the criminal or terrorist seeking lawful status in our country as an embedding tactic. This is precisely how most of the terrorists have been found to operate- they seek to gain lawful status to eliminate the potential threat that they might be discovered. They also want that lawful status to gain employment and a driver’s license. Remember, as I have often noted, including when I have testified before Congress, a day or two before a terrorist participates in a terrorist attack he (she) is likely to hide in plain sight by going to his (her) job!
Now we have the Zogby Poll as reported on by Steve Camarota, the Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies, making it clear that citizens of Mexico would be encouraged to seek to violate our nation’s borders to enter the United States to seek unlawful employment. As you may know, I have been affiliated with the Center for Immigration Studies for about 7 years.
Here is something for you to consider. If an alien runs our borders he leaves no record as to when, where or how he entered the United States. This means that aliens could easily enter our country long after any cutoff date that a Comprehensive Immigration Reform program might establish and fraudulently claim to have been in the United States for the requisite period of time.
Again, remember that there is no way of knowing the true identity of these millions of illegal aliens.
If you doubt this- look at the Zogby Poll results. Millions of citizens of Mexico and many other countries would, no doubt swarm our borders seeking to fraudulently claim to have resided in the United States for the requisite period of time. The bureaucratic system would implode, crushed by the weight of the paper!
Those of you who are familiar with my commentaries know how much I love to use analogies, so here is something I hope helps you to visualize precisely what I am describing:
All of us are familiar with how people will attempt to cram themselves into a completely full elevator car even though another car with quickly open its doors a few feet away. In the worst case, the car into which these human sardines are attempting to wedge themselves will also return in just a few minutes, yet you could easily imagine that the elevator car they are so eager to enter will be the last one to ever show up!
If too many people do get into that elevator it may get stuck or, worse, it might plummet to the basement!
For the would-be illegal aliens the pressure to get across the U.S. border would be truly intense. These aliens know that they must make it across the border in order to file for amnesty. If they make it, they would then be allowed to bring their families to the United States legally! Not unlike that overcrowded elevator, the immigration systems would be so overwhelmed that any semblance of integrity would simply evaporate. In a manner of speaking, the entire system, I fear, would crash and burn!
Imagine the chaos on the border! I cannot imagine what the conditions would be like for our Border Patrol Agents!
Meanwhile consider these bullet points:
“An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States. The rest were unsure. “
“Also, 69 percent of people in Mexico felt that the Mexican government should represent the interests of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) in the United States.”
Think of the implications that this has for our nation!
If that statement is accurate, I am concerned that we could easily wind up with millions of voters who would vote for candidates that were viewed as being important to Mexico’s objectives rather than the objectives of the United States!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2362258/posts?page=27#27
Two things I thought I would never see. The downfall of the Soviet Union, and the downfall of the US. Saw the first part,,,looks like I will see the second part too.
Can someone please explain why anyone would hold a loyalty to a nation that so disrespected them, that it encouraged them to flee?
Anything short of the Stockholm Syndrome just won’t explain this one.
Years ago they should have gone after the employers who hire the illegals.
As long as people hire them as housekeepers, gardners, construction, meatpacker plants, etc. this will go on.
The problem now, there are over 12 million illegals here.
Who will hire the tens of thousands of people it will take to scour dozens of states block by block, canyons, etc to
round up over 12 million illegals.
How doesn this go down with Liberal MSM following the rondup people and piling thousands in trucks to haul away,
load on c 47s by the thousands to fly back to Mexico
to only return the next month.
It ain’t going to happen.
The fence that should have gone up years ago will not be conpleated. They are pulling back the Border Patrol.
The ROE for Border Patrol is a joke.
I say this sitting 20 miles north of the largest and busiest border crossing in the world, San Diego - Tijuana Port of entry.
“Who will hire the tens of thousands of people it will take to scour dozens of states block by block, canyons, etc to
round up over 12 million illegals.”
Oh, please. Next time they’re marching in our streets, demanding we ignore the rule of law...DEPORT THEM!
bttt
Because a corrupt government isn't the people that make up the nation.
Do you feel disrespected by the current administration? If so, I'm sure you still love your country. You can hate the conditions and love the people, the land and the culture.
yeah, we figured that part out a couple of years ago when they were marching around with Mexican flags
.....family values....
A few years ago I would’ve said “Nah, not a chance. Things are better than ever.” Now I know differently. I’m not talking about the recession of any economic downturn because we’ve survived those many times in the past but when 20-30% of the population doesn’t give a rip for the history and heritage of this great country, it probably won’t be long.
Do I think that’s the case? Again, I hope not.
My explanation, and I have said this several thousand times: They screwed up their own country so bad they had to leave, and now they are here, screwing up ours. The same attitudes, the same habits that they acquired in their Third World hell holes, that created those Third World hell holes, are being applied to our culture. Example: most of them could not afford much more than a fifth-grade education, yet Hispanic dropout rates in the US are something like 20 percent, and the more there are in one place, the higher the dropout rate. I watch a lot of Spanish-language TV, and am always stunned at the things that are said along the lines of their continuing loyalty to Mexico and other Latin American countries despite the fact that they felt they had to leave. Most of Saturday is taken up by Spanish TV shows lauding the beauty and merits of their various hell holes. They look at our country as a big, fat, rich milk cow waiting to be milked and taken advantage of. We owe them, just because our country is more successful than theirs. ‘Mexico lindo y querido’ indeed.
My explanation, and I have said this several thousand times: They screwed up their own country so bad they had to leave, and now they are here, screwing up ours. The same attitudes, the same habits that they acquired in their Third World hell holes, that created those Third World hell holes, are being applied to our culture. Example: most of them could not afford much more than a fifth-grade education, yet Hispanic dropout rates in the US are something like 20 percent, and the more there are in one place, the higher the dropout rate. I watch a lot of Spanish-language TV, and am always stunned at the things that are said along the lines of their continuing loyalty to Mexico and other Latin American countries despite the fact that they felt they had to leave. Most of Saturday is taken up by Spanish TV shows lauding the beauty and merits of their various hell holes. They look at our country as a big, fat, rich milk cow waiting to be milked and taken advantage of. We owe them, just because our country is more successful than theirs. ‘Mexico lindo y querido’ indeed.
Hernandez said the purpose of the Mexican government agency he heads is:
(1) to increase the flow of Mexican nationals to the United States.....
(2) to serve Mexico’s needs.........
(3) to increase remittances to Mexico of $50 billion a year (30% of the Mexican GDP);
(4) to get US jobs for an exploding Mexican population, alleviating social instability due to rising unemployment;
(5) to get free US training for Mexicans, who are expected to return and repatriate those skills back to Mexico.
Hernandez supports amnesty: "By populating the United States with millions of Hispanics tied economically, politically and linguistically to Mexico, we are able to exert enormous influence and pressure on US policy and its dealings with Mexico." NOTE: That means billions of US tax dollars subsidizing corrupt federales.
SOURCE http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33894
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An immigration judge recently refused to grant "political asylum" in the US to a Honduran national who was claiming "persecution" ........... and the monetary benefits that come with it.
ANALYSIS Corrupt Third World govts are coaching their citizens to whine about "persecution" to seek "asylum" in the US.......b/c they know that they can collect Soc/Sec checks (even though they have not contributed one red cent to SS).
CASE IN POINT The bogus Mexican "drug war" was engineered to create a whole new class of illegal connivers....."persecuted refugees" seeking "asylum" in the US.
BACKSTORY Social Security's "persecution" classification was once reserved for those claiming religious or political persecution. Now the Mexican govt is coaching its citizens to pour into the US, whining about "persecution from abusive spouses, and from drug wars". Some of these whiners are wealthy people , squatting on US soil, intent on draining the US treasury.
THE RIPOFF UP CLOSE Social Security provides outrageous government financial aid to "refugees" claiming "persecution." These people never paid a dime into the SS system; yet, they can collect seven years straight...... and can get extended payments if they are politically well-connected. The SS checks can amount to $1000 a month, and more. The category was created for those coming from eastern Europe and other Soviet satellite countries circa WW II....and they're STILL collecting. Just another way these connivers drain the US Treasury.
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Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio has the right idea. When will pols stand up for the USA? Stopping illegals from entering our country would save billions by not having to subsidize every whim of these people. DHS Secy Enabler Janet Napolitano should be arrested for inciting sedition.
I’m a second generation American of Mexican descent. My mother is from Texas, father from Mexico. He fought through five Pacific campaigns in WWII as an infantryman in the 7th ID to pay his debt to his adopted country. Two of his sons fought in Vietnam... Thanks to him and millions like him, I owe my fealty to God and the United States as established by our Constitution...and no other..
I think that’s reasoned.
I will say it really rubs me the wrong way to see many of these folks trash our nation grabbing every free handout they can get, then talk about what a great nation they actually love.
I was one of the counter protesters here when over 50,000 Mexicans Marched a few years ago.
The untold story is, when ever they do deport the illegals, they come right back.
Some are deported dozens of times.
A drunk driver(illegal) the other week who caused an accident, was picked up over 20 times
for the past few years especially they are now coming up by boat.
Around 3am the other day they picked up several with loads of marajuana who landed on one of the beaches here.
This goes on all the time with the Coast Guard and Border Patrol dealing with the boat traffic.
The “New Conquistadores”.
Ping.
BTT
“The untold story is, when ever they do deport the illegals, they come right back.
Some are deported dozens of times.”
That’s easily solved. Protect the border. Build the fence.
Shooting a couple coyotes to get the message across would be much kinder than leaving ignorant migrants to die in that damn desert.
Is this a poll of Mexican nationals or Mexican Americans? I know many Mexican Americans and Colombian Americans that want nothing to do with where they came from and are glad to be rid of leftist guerillas and cartels.
Spoken like a true American!
They pulled the funding for the remainder of the Hunter fence. More of the border area is with out the fence
than what is fenced.
As long as idiots keep voting for democrat for congress or third party who take away from republicans we won’t have a majority to deal with this issue.
Yeah, I think we resolved that here back in 1836, didn’t we? I seem to remember the Alamo...
Colonel, USAFR
I’m a second generation American of Mexican descent. My mother is from Texas, father from Mexico. He fought through five Pacific campaigns in WWII as an infantryman in the 7th ID to pay his debt to his adopted country. Two of his sons fought in Vietnam... Thanks to him and millions like him, I owe my fealty to God and the United States as established by our Constitution...and no other.
HOOAAHH, Crapgame!
Colonel, USAFR
I agree with you 100%. Love the US and our institutions? Apply to enter and come on down - we're happy to have you.
Hate us and our institutions? The door is no more than a couple thousand miles in any direction. Start walking.
Thanks.
(Expletive deleted) ‘em
Good on you, I respect that.
I’m of Scots descent (many generations back) but it has never occurred to me to be anything but an American.
“They pulled the funding for the remainder of the Hunter fence. More of the border area is with out the fence
than what is fenced.
As long as idiots keep voting for democrat for congress or third party who take away from republicans we won’t have a majority to deal with this issue”
All true...but you leave out the fact that BUSH, ROVE, CHENEY and their immigration guru Grover Norquist didn’t want the fence, and PLENTY of GOP idiots are voting for McCain, Graham and their open border republican buddies!
We can’t clean out their house, but I’ll be darned if I can understand why republicans refuse to face their own corruption and clean their own house or AT LEAST follow the GOP platform that says NO AMNESTY. What happened to the GOp that had the guts to tell Nixon to just go away???
Would you stay with this GOP if a 3rd party came about that actually followed the rule of law??? Yes, Yes, I know as long as you all can stop it, THAT will never happen. It doesn’t seem to bother you all one bit that over a third of the citizens of this nation have NO representation.
I'll bet they weren't.
And God bless you and your family Crapgame. You remind me of one my closest friends (now mind, I’m in by late 60s), Juan C______. Juan was a LEGAL resident alien in the 60s. He enlisted in the Army, Infantry, fought in Vietnam (CIB and other recognitions), married another wonderful friend of ours Leticia, born here in Texas, they had two children.
Juan decided to get his citizenship after coming home from VN (and working for another few years), I asked him why he waited so long? He said, and I kid you not, “I wanted to make sure I EARNED my citizenship”. Juan asked me and my wife to be his sponsors when he was granted citizenship in the Brownsville, Texas federal courthouse.
It was an humbling honor to do so and we NEVER take citizenship in this country lightly or cheaply, especially not after Juan. Juan is who I measure citizens against when we talk of these things. Where are you Juan?
OK, then let’s apply Mexico’s border and immigration rules to Mexicans in America, and they can be loyal to Mexico by obeying it.
Sorry for the double post. Blush.
Mexico’s Immigration Law: Let’s Try It Here at Home
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632.
“And God bless you and your family Crapgame”
Amen!
ALL: I’m starting an AMNESTY PING LIST. Let me know if you want on it.
3rd parties only get around 2-5% of the vote.
They only split the republican vote to give the democrats a victory.
One reason Frankin won rather than coleman.
One reason Clinton won than Bush 41.
You have to do the math, voting third party is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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