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1929 And Today - Sobering Parallels Abound
Yahoo News ^ | 10-15-2009 | Simon Maierhofer

Posted on 10/15/2009 11:17:16 AM PDT by blam

1929 And Today - Sobering Parallels Abound

By Simon Maierhofer
On 1:14 pm EDT, Thursday October 15, 2009

When was the last time you saw stocks decline 54% followed by a 55% rally?

When was the last time you saw stocks (NYSEArca: VTI - News), bonds (NYSEArca:

AGG) and commodities (NYSEArca: DBC - News) move in sync for nearly two years?

When was the last time asset allocation did not really provide the diversification and protection it was supposed to?

When was the last time, a ten year investment in the stock market delivered negative returns?

Investors that care to harken back 80 years will find that the 1929 - 1932 era is the only period of time that compares to today. In fact, the parallels between now and then are bountiful and scary.

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(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; depression; economy; recession; recovery; stocks

1 posted on 10/15/2009 11:17:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
How Much Longer Can This Bear Market Rally Last?

Kevin Depew
Oct 15, 2009 1:55 pm

Markets tend to reach exhaustion on good news, not bad.

How long, O Lord, how long? It's always good to remember that the stock market is not the economy. Every day I come into the office to find literally dozens of emails complaining that the market is ignoring the relentlessly bearish news flow. But that doesn't bother me. What will bother me is when we start getting good news. Markets tend to reach exhaustion on good news, not bad. And these days it's hard to discern between what's merely bad and what's actually disastrous. So, let's take a look at what the difference between the two really is, and what it means going forward.

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2 posted on 10/15/2009 11:22:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Well, no, 1929-1932 isn’t the only time that parallels today. 1873 to 1876 also does quite well, but is much less well documented.


3 posted on 10/15/2009 11:24:22 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: blam

Thank you for the info. MOST people believe that the Market is an indicator of the Health of the Economy. I blame the schools and msm for fostering this fallacy.


4 posted on 10/15/2009 11:26:46 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Additionally, looking at the big picture, gold keeps climbing, oil so-so, and general retail sales and employment numbers tell more on this.


5 posted on 10/15/2009 11:29:04 AM PDT by elpinta (Change: check. Hope: not so much.)
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To: elpinta

Exactly, Retail sales are tanking and unemployment is not near a recovery.


6 posted on 10/15/2009 11:34:51 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

I am not an expert (not even close) but I do know that the market can be and is manipulated.

However, certain things are more indicative or the real state of affairs:
- Retail sales.
- Retail and Industrial vacancies.
- Employment.
- Idle trucks.
- Capital investments.

Of course, we don’t hear much about that.


7 posted on 10/15/2009 11:39:58 AM PDT by elpinta (Change: check. Hope: not so much.)
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To: Marty62
MOST people believe that the Market is an indicator of the Health of the Economy. I blame the schools and msm for fostering this fallacy.

Been stating for decades to my friends that the vast majority of the market is legalized gambling where you are betting that you are smarter than the other "INVESTORS" (Gamblers}
8 posted on 10/15/2009 11:40:13 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

Yep years ago.When discussing SM the first words were. Don’t invest money you are not ready to LOSE.


9 posted on 10/15/2009 11:43:58 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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Can’t be, the state run fringe media is telling us all is good! There is no problem....


10 posted on 10/15/2009 11:50:52 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: blam

Near the end of the piece, they mention the part that I find most frightening: the current P/E ratio over 140!! A more normal number would be 15-20, which means stocks are over-priced by 7-10 times. (That would equate to a DOW of 1000-1428, based on current earnings... a drop of 85-90%.) Even if you take the position that the stock prices are anticipating higher earnings in the next year, does anyone really think (honest) earnings will increase 700-1000% in the next year to bring the P/E into a more sustainable number? I don’t...

hh


11 posted on 10/15/2009 12:08:41 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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With the dollar hitting new lows against most major curriencies, gold at near-historic highs, credit tight, RE bubble still deflating, consumption down, hidden and real inflation, low bond yields (re: inflation) where else would you put your money?


12 posted on 10/15/2009 12:29:08 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Marty62
Yep years ago.When discussing SM the first words were. Don’t invest money you are not ready to LOSE.

Yep that is the way I remember it

I was shocked when I found out all the current 401Ks etc set up for retirement were in the market


13 posted on 10/15/2009 12:42:53 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: hoosier hick

Not sure where they got the 140 P/E ratio... My investment broker pegs the S&P’s P/E at ~ 16-17... based on forecasted 2010 earnings...


14 posted on 10/15/2009 12:42:54 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: uncbob

Well if you think about it. The penalties and TAX implications of switching or pulling out of a 401k, makes sure WS has a steady diet of the little guys money.
It reminds me of a line from the old Dick and Jane movie.
Jane is looking at a loss in an investment...then says I lost the game and I didn’t even get to play.
Now look what has happened..all the people that are invested have seen their 401’s tank...so much for retirement.
I wonder if this whole 401,Ira etc could be classified as a ponzi scheme?


15 posted on 10/16/2009 12:03:43 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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