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God Is Not The Creator, Claims Academic
Telegraph(UK) ^ | October 10th 2009

Posted on 10/10/2009 7:25:33 PM PDT by Steelfish

God Is Not The Creator, Claims Academic

The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic, who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years.

By Richard Alleyne 08 Oct 2009

Professor Ellen van Wolde, a respected Old Testament scholar and author, claims the first sentence of Genesis "in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" is not a true translation of the Hebrew.

She claims she has carried out fresh textual analysis that suggests the writers of the great book never intended to suggest that God created the world -- and in fact the Earth was already there when he created humans and animals.

Prof Van Wolde, 54, who will present a thesis on the subject at Radboud University in The Netherlands where she studies, said she had re-analysed the original Hebrew text and placed it in the context of the Bible as a whole, and in the context of other creation stories from ancient Mesopotamia.

She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate".

The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth"

According to Judeo-Christian tradition, God created the Earth out of nothing.

Prof Van Wolde, who once worked with the Italian academic and novelist Umberto Eco, said her new analysis showed that the beginning of the Bible was not the beginning of time, but the beginning of a narration.

She said: "It meant to say that God did create humans and animals, but not the Earth itself." She writes in her thesis that the new translation fits in with ancient texts.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: creator
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1 posted on 10/10/2009 7:25:33 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

LOL!!!

What next?


2 posted on 10/10/2009 7:28:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Steelfish
Only an intellectual could say something so stupid. That's not what the classical Jewish scholar Rashi says and I defer to the Father Of Commentators.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

3 posted on 10/10/2009 7:28:29 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Steelfish
She said she eventually concluded...

Well, that's nice of her. She can join the pantheon of humans who have concluded any number of other important things. Just a minute, I'm trying to recollect their names and conclusions...

4 posted on 10/10/2009 7:29:22 PM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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To: Steelfish

An academic?

That’s dog bites man.

Nothing to see here, move along.


5 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:05 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Steelfish

So, Ellen, from whence came the earth, the water, the sea monsters, etc.?


6 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:10 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (DEFUND THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE NOW!)
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To: Steelfish

Can’t wait to see her face when God asks her about that.


7 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:11 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: Steelfish

Sorry, Lady, but if it’s you v. 5000 years of Jewish scholars, I’ll go with the Jewish scholars.


8 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:25 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Steelfish

Bulletin! Past 5000 years now, everybody’s been WRONG! We’ve been unworthy! Listen to the academic and learn! Hosanna in the cum laude!


9 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:47 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: Steelfish

Amazing that no one has caught this after thousands of years until now!


10 posted on 10/10/2009 7:30:58 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Steelfish

But the word bara is used throughout the 1st chapter of Genesis, while the word asha is used in the concept of made appear as in the fourth day of creation. If the writers intended to imply the heavens and earth were already here the word asha would have been used.


11 posted on 10/10/2009 7:31:15 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: bcsco
An opinion doesn't change the meaning of the text. The Creation may have been present in G-d's mind beforehand but He did the work. And he definitely created Man.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

12 posted on 10/10/2009 7:31:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Steelfish

She’s silly. Everyone knows Obama did it.


13 posted on 10/10/2009 7:31:31 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Cheney/Palin 2012!)
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To: Steelfish
Well, I'm not buying this.

However, if one wanted to suppose an unwritten Bible v1.0 in which Heaven and Earth are created by God many millions of years ago, then that would help settle some disagreements vis a vis The Grand Canyon, and geologic time. Then, we might surmise that we hold in our hands a written Bible v2.0 which tells the more recent story of how mankind was created long after the foundations of the Earth.

Perhaps this is a way to look at it. But, bottomline, God is powerful enough to create anything He wants, in whatever timeframe he wishes.

For now, I'm sticking with the basic story.

14 posted on 10/10/2009 7:31:33 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Steelfish

“touch the hearts of many religious people”??

This woman has a highly inflated view of herself. No one that believes will change their minds based on this “analysis”, and no one that doesn’t will, either.


15 posted on 10/10/2009 7:31:50 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: Steelfish
Of course not! Obama is!

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16 posted on 10/10/2009 7:32:07 PM PDT by mlizzy ("It is impossible to walk rapidly and be unhappy" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Steelfish

This academic might find himself very unpleasantly surprised come Judgment Day. I can’t imagine that meeting the Maker one claims does not exist would be very pleasant.


17 posted on 10/10/2009 7:32:24 PM PDT by dez (Giving resident visas to illegals is like giving car thieves legal title to the cars they steal)
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To: Steelfish
Ooooo! Ooooo!

Can I play???

She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate".

The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth"

Maybe it means:

"in the beginning God separated from the Heaven and the Earth"...

(Or maybe it really does mean: "in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth")...

18 posted on 10/10/2009 7:32:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 261 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Steelfish

So, I guess God’s God created all that God gave us in creation? Or something like that. OK! Now all is answered. ;-)


19 posted on 10/10/2009 7:33:21 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Steelfish

God is energy, the supreme power. Just try splitting an atom within a grain of dust or a drop of water. Both which make up everything living.

Grade: F- (for wasting our time and insulting God)


20 posted on 10/10/2009 7:34:31 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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