Posted on 09/21/2009 10:06:55 AM PDT by Nachum
Who needs vaccine against regular winter flu, and who should be first in line for the swine flu shot? There's lots of overlap.
Regular flu vaccine is available now, and people who need it most include:
_Adults 50 and older.
_All children age 6 months to 18 years.
_Pregnant women.
_People of any age with chronic health problems like asthma, heart disease or a weakened immune system.
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Sorry, but i believe that the biggest contribution to the flu is getting flu shots.
Pharms + FDA = $$$$$
Always follow the money.
I got my flu and pneu shots last Thursday. 6 hours later I had a fever of almost 102. Dog-sick all weekend!
Also, keep up with other H1N1 update stories on this thread: H1N1 flu victim collapsed on way to hospital [Latest H1N1 updates downthread] thanks to DvdMom and others.
Almost every day I thank God I am allergic to most vaccines, all those that are made with eggs.
I’d rather have the flu.
Yep, sure. From a dead virus? A reaction is something different and can certainly occur.
Now, FluMist uses a weakened, "living" virus so the situation is a little different.
6 hours later I had a fever of almost 102. Dog-sick all weekend!
Fast acting stuff wasn’t it? Hope you are better now. I took both the flu and pneu shot a couple weeks ago and had no reactions.
Yesterday I saw a Dr. on TV explaining that there were 2 types of Flu vaccines 1- in the shot form which is a “killed” dead virus 2- the other in a nasal spray of a LIVE vaccine. He went on to say that anyone taking the LIVE nasal spray should not come into contact with anyone under 2yrs old or the elderly because they could be CARRIERS of the FLU.
Is this told to the people that receive the nasal spray vaccine?
Should this be part of our daily conversation “did you have the nasal flu vaccine, I don’t want to transport it to my 90 yr old mother! because I didn’t know”
I’d never had a reaction to either shot before. Man! I was sick. Every flu symptom, but no nausea.
I have MS and the NMSS warns against taking the “live” virus mist type of vaccine. The shots are okay, the mist isn’t. However, as you said, those taking the mist (and the first H1N1 vaccines will be in mist form) supposedly can pass on the flu if they come into close contact with others. So it seems rather counterproductive to me to even use the mist. Seems it might spread the flu faster if a lot of people take the mist because it’s all that’s available to begin with.
The pneumonia vaccine was a big "win" for me when it came out. Prior to the vaccine, I had 7 cases of pneumonia. After the vaccine...none.
Regarding the H1N1 virus and the coming “mandatory” vaccine:
From Mercola.com
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/19/The-Truth-about-the-Flu-Shot.aspx
“What are the Virologists Saying?
Virologists are scientists who study viruses — their classification, their genetics, methods of spread and their ability to cause disease. No one knows more about this virus than the virologists.
The British science magazine, The New Scientist, recently polled 60 virologists to get their opinion. These are the results of specific questions:
Will the virulent version of the virus appear?
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Extremely likely-————————none
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Likely——————————————5
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A 50/50 chance-———————— 14
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Possible————————————— 38
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Not at all—————————————3
What the virologists are doing personally
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Stock Tamiflu or Relinza-————————14
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Stock above plus antibiotics-—————— 6
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Stock food, water and power source——5
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Get pneumococcal vaccine-———————3
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Nothing—————————————————— 30
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Hand washing, mask, etc-——————— 3
Notice there was no mention of taking the swine flu vaccine.
Behind the push to vaccinate the entire population are the pharmaceutical makers of the vaccines, who are working in conjunction with the government to make the vaccine mandatory.
Homeland security and FEMA are pushing for forced vaccinations and the medical experts, virologists and epidemiologists are calling for calm and resorting to voluntary vaccination only. The former have links with the vaccine manufacturers via political contacts. A great deal of money will be made by the manufacturers, should forced vaccinations be mandated.
Will This Vaccine Be Tested?
According to Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, 5 tests are planned. It is not clear as to the use of the squalene adjuvants, ASO3 and MF-59.
Because of concerns raised, the FDA is now hedging. Independent studies of squalene used as a vaccine adjuvant indicates that it is associated with a very high incidence of autoimmune diseases, such as an MS-like neurological syndrome, rheumatoid joint disease and especially Lupus.
The developer of MF-59 is Chiron pharmaceuticals, which was purchased by Novartis pharmaceutical company, who will be the main supplier of the swine flu vaccine for the world. According to Dr. Fauci, testing in both children and adults will be without this adjuvant and he admits that we have no data on the safety in children.(See Nature Vol 460/30 July 2009, p 562 for the interview.)
There are 5 tests scheduled for safety before mass vaccinations will resume. I looked up on clinicaltrials.gov the actual studies being done. It is instructive to note that the only studies actually being done do not contain any adjuvant (the immune booster) either for babies or adults. Yet, when the mass vaccinations begin, the vaccines will have adjuvant added, possibly squalene.
The real irony here is that this is the same bait and switch game they played in the 1976 swine flu vaccine disaster.
They tested one vaccine and gave a different one during the mass vaccinations.
Here we go again. Over 500 people were paralyzed with Guillain Barre disorder. The incidence was much higher, because it was not a reportable disease. And over 300 people died, which is also a very low figure.
Dr. Fauci admits that they have no idea what will happen when they mix the three viruses from the vaccines together or when they are given sequentially. When he was asked if the results of the studies would be reviewed by the health authorities, he answered, “yes, except for those done by the Novartis company.”
He justified this secrecy by saying that Norvartis had a very advanced testing system, which was done “in-house” — that is, in secrecy.
It is also important to appreciate that this vaccine has been fast-tracked, meaning that many of the usual safety precautions used to prevent contamination of the vaccines will be overlooked by the regulatory agencies.
According to a number of studies, vaccine contamination is widespread, with vaccines containing pestivirus, mycoplasma, viral fragments, DNA fragments and bacterial components, all of which can produce chronic systemic disorders, cancer, neurologic diseases and even slow brain degeneration.”
Back in the 70’s there was Swine Flu going around, and a vaccine was provided for it. However, a lot of people died from the vaccine. So consequently, the vaccine was stopped shortly after. Nevertheless, I had the vaccine and being I am typing this posting I obviously did not die from it. I am wondering though if this Swine Flu of the 70’s is the same going around these days and if yes, being that I've already had the vaccine I immune? Just wondering...
Maybe for a while in the 70's, but then again I am not really sure if they were there.
lol. You win. :)
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