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Rethinking the Political Spectrum
American Thinker ^ | September 09, 2009 | David G. Muller, Jr.

Posted on 09/09/2009 11:31:47 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 09/09/2009 11:31:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I totally agree, but they could have added anarchy on the far far right too... real anarchy not that fake radical left kind


2 posted on 09/09/2009 11:34:49 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
I totally agree, but they could have added anarchy on the far far right too... real anarchy not that fake radical left kind.

I've always put fascism and communism together on the far left, with anarchy on the extreme right.

3 posted on 09/09/2009 11:39:06 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (It's the skinny end of the wedge that goes in first.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

that is how it should be


4 posted on 09/09/2009 11:46:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL; Mr Ramsbotham

Anarchy has no place on the political spectrum, because it is the total absence of the political spectrum. Under anarchy, there is no external authority, and therefore no politics for that authority to be defined by.

I disagree with this author, because he falls into the same trap that the conventional political spectrum does: defining the spectrum by the ideologies, rather than defining the spectrum by the actions.

IMO, the truly accurate political spectrum would have total centralized government on the far left, with total decentralized government on the far right. This way, communism defines the left end of the chart, with fascism slightly to its right. Federalism becomes the center, because it maintains strict authority while decentralizing it. On the far right, you have totally decentralized authority, such as autonomous city-states.

Just how I see it.


5 posted on 09/09/2009 11:51:40 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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Actually, some really weird links brought me to anarchist websites. It actually has a formulated system of “rules” and there are left anarchists and right anarchists. I don’t understand most of it though.


6 posted on 09/09/2009 11:54:23 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
It actually has a formulated system of “rules”

There's no such thing as organized anarchy. So while there may be some people calling themselves anarchists because they want to steal a TV during a riot, they really aren't.
7 posted on 09/09/2009 11:58:10 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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Most of the left anarchists really just want to destabalize society so as to usher in “true” communism. These idiots actually believed the tripe about the stateless communist ideal utopia. Its pretty incredible.

The others seem like hyperlibertarians


8 posted on 09/10/2009 12:02:03 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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Then, like I said, they aren’t really anarchists.

Reminds me of a joke I once heard. What’s the difference between a liberal and a libertarian? The libertarian just wants to grow, use, and sell his own weed; the liberal wants you to buy it for him.


9 posted on 09/10/2009 12:11:07 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Terpfen

That reminds me of a thread on DU the other day where someone asked if Obamacare would cover prescription pot.


10 posted on 09/10/2009 12:16:09 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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“Prescription,” right. The sad thing is that weed would improve their symptoms.


11 posted on 09/10/2009 12:17:55 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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This thread reminded me of my faux anarchist-revolutionary site which is only about 70% serious.

http://unitedcitizen.blogspot.com/


12 posted on 09/10/2009 12:19:21 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem
At a much more general level, you could put "oligarchy" at the far left and "anarchy" at the far right.

It would then seem that many of our founding fathers would have wanted us Constitutionally just left of anarchy. Certainly not in the center.

13 posted on 09/10/2009 12:23:01 AM PDT by TotusTuus
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Actually, some really weird links brought me to anarchist websites. It actually has a formulated system of “rules” and there are left anarchists and right anarchists. I don’t understand most of it though.

I recall attending a speech by Karl Hess, back in the late 70's or early 80's. Hess was a Nixon speechwriter, and a friend of liberty, who became disenchanted with politics, resigned the political fight, moved to West Virginia and became a welder. His writing appealed to libertarians of both the right and the left.

At this speech, there may have been 200 or so attendees, the lefties sat on the left side of the room and the righties on the right. This wasn't planned, it just happened naturally as attendees arrived, scouted out the room, and sat next to friends, or next to those who looked like friends. It was a memorable site. Kids with long hair, jeans and "don't tread on me" tee shirts on the left, bow tie clad old right intellectuals on the right.

Just out of college myself and not too well read in the literature of liberty and politics, this was a revelation to me - a sign that the mainstream left vs right single dimension political spectrum was seriously flawed.

14 posted on 09/10/2009 12:39:35 AM PDT by Swing_Thought (The doorstep to the temple of wisdom is a knowledge of our own ignorance. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: neverdem
The political spectrum is more a circle in Communism theory believe that at the end all government will wither away and die an man will live in a communal peaceful anarchy (think a big hippie commune)
15 posted on 09/10/2009 1:01:07 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: GeronL
These idiots actually believed the tripe about the stateless communist ideal utopia.

Yes I use to deal with the type in a collage class where the made us form groups and roll play forming one of these stateless communist little utopia...

I use to make it a point of being contrary to the point the others in the little utopia have to used hypothetical force (IE create a government) to "check me"...

They had to face the paradox that government is a necessary evil

That we require government for the same reason we want as little of it as possible.

Is really funny how fast you can make a communist anarchists in to a small government private property libertarian in one one these role playing game just by being a the "really world" pain in the ass

16 posted on 09/10/2009 1:27:55 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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lol.

sounds fun


17 posted on 09/10/2009 1:33:31 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem
I would add individual freedom above libertarianism on the right.
18 posted on 09/10/2009 3:16:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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19 posted on 09/10/2009 4:14:16 AM PDT by decimon
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To: GeronL

[I totally agree, but they could have added anarchy on the far far right too... real anarchy not that fake radical left kind]

Except there is decentralist and centralist anarchy. I’m too sleepy to explain.


20 posted on 09/10/2009 4:49:44 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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