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As Old Nazis Die Off, Pursuit Goes On
nytimes.com ^ | August 26, 2009 | ANDREA FULLER

Posted on 08/29/2009 3:13:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

For 30 years, Eli M. Rosenbaum has been hunting Nazi war criminals. Even as the last of them die off, he is not giving up.

“There is still time to bring some of these people to justice, and we ought not fail to do that,” said Mr. Rosenbaum, director of the Office of Special Investigations, who arrived at that Justice Department agency as a summer intern in 1979, the year it was created, and became its chief in 1995.

...“It’s a few years more,” Mr. Rosenbaum said of the hunt for the last Nazis. “I don’t think that you will hear the department soon say: ‘That’s it. These cases are finished.’ ”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: nazis; warcrimes

1 posted on 08/29/2009 3:13:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is considered a productive use of taxpayer money?


2 posted on 08/29/2009 3:17:33 PM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: Berlin_Freeper
As Old Nazis Die Off, Pursuit Goes On

Dead Snow

Quentin Tarantino and his "Inglourious Basterds" can deliver up dead "Natzees," but only the new Norwegian horror film "Dead Snow" can offer undead Nazis.

(excuse the pun)

3 posted on 08/29/2009 3:17:38 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.)
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To: ronnietherocket2

nope


4 posted on 08/29/2009 3:18:56 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I find it amusing that barry and mickey keep screaming leave us alone, when they are always in town. They are renting a 26 acre estate (50K a week), with a small golf course, bridel paths, bike paths and other assorted fun things to do......want to be left alone stay on the damn estate.


5 posted on 08/29/2009 3:20:39 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"“It’s a few years more,” Mr. Rosenbaum said of the hunt for the last Nazis."

Sure, if you can keep squeezing out some taxpayers money to fund it and make a good living at it, I guess. Personally I think we have bigger problems, the New age Marxist Nazi's to worry about exposing and bringing to justice.

6 posted on 08/29/2009 3:21:40 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Let’s finally bring those damn Redcoats to justice!


7 posted on 08/29/2009 3:26:02 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: ronnietherocket2

Only if it keeps them from nosing around at NASA.


8 posted on 08/29/2009 3:26:27 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: svcw
Oh, good grief SVCW wrong post. Still relevant wrong post.
9 posted on 08/29/2009 3:28:09 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: ronnietherocket2
ronnietherocket2 said: "This is considered a productive use of taxpayer money?"

A lot probably depends upon the age of the person being asked.

If you were an eighteen-year-old who perpetrated atrocities in 1945, then you would be 82 today. It sounds like a long time ago and far away.

If you were an eight-year-old in 1945 and your family was murdered in the camps, you would be 72 and without living relatives. It might not seem so long ago or so far away.

Without government action to hold people accountable for such crimes, we would have to leave it to the victims. Most consider that a bad idea.

10 posted on 08/29/2009 3:31:17 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I thought this was about Teddy Kennedy...LOL.


11 posted on 08/29/2009 3:32:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Tell everyone, DEMS are the RACISTS...they created the KKK and Jim Crow Laws...to start)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Elie Weisel is a con artist who lost his “foundation” (tax scam) money to Bernie Madoff while Elie slobbers and fawns over Obama.


12 posted on 08/29/2009 3:36:21 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

When I was a teenager my best friend’s father used to tell us war stories about his years in the Waffen SS. Being dumb kids we were amazed at all the medals in his collection as well as the fact that he was wounded 8 times while fighting in Russia. The strange thing was how much he loved this country something we found hard to understand considering it was only a few years previous the US and Germany were enemies.
I often wonder what happened to him but I also wonder how it was that someone who was an SS Man was able to emigrate into this country.
One sad fact was that his son lost an arm in Vietnam.


13 posted on 08/29/2009 3:52:11 PM PDT by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Someone needs to explain something to me. We hunt down the Nazi's like dogs (rightfully so), the name of Hitler is spoken and likened to the worst humanity has ever had to offer because of the 6 million people slaughtered. What the Germans did during WW2 is taught throughout our school system and everyone does everything to demonize everything that the Third Reich stood for so that such things may never happen again.

Yet, the hundreds of millions the Communists slaughtered throughout the last 100 years is hardly looked upon as an atrocity at all. The evils of Communism are far greater then that of the Nazi's, and we teach our children in school (especially college), how great Communism is, and we have never made any effort to bring them to justice for their atrocities. In fact our current President has several on his staff, imagine if they were Nazi's instead.

Why the double standard in how history treats the Nazi's versus the Communists. Why is one ideology given a pass on the murder of hundreds of millions, while the other is still punished 75 years after, while Communism and Communist ideals are still responsible for untold atrocities.

Why are we so afraid to stand up to the Communists the way we did the Nazi's??? Why is it OK for Communists to commit genocide all the while the world looks the other way?

14 posted on 08/29/2009 3:53:54 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Larry381

Your story reminded me of this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni

When I first read his story, the USA had not found or identified his remains. He may not have been born here, but I am certainly glad he was brought HOME.


15 posted on 08/29/2009 3:58:32 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: William Tell
Without government action to hold people accountable for such crimes, we would have to leave it to the victims. Most consider that a bad idea.

Foreigners killing foreigners. European history.

What about all the American issues related to the Japanese and the communists and the deaths and murders of Americans. When does our American tax dollar funded, endless, timeless, relentless, pursuit of that start?

Do the communists that killed a 100 million people ever pay, when do we start that process?

16 posted on 08/29/2009 4:03:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Who’s left, members of the jungevolk who were about 8yrs old? Stalin knocked off millions more than Hitler, yet no one wants to remember that. No one is prosecuting anyone from the NKVD or the KGB, but then again who remembers Kaytn or the Gullags anymore? 50,000,000 people died in WW II, many innocent families were wiped out. Instead of worrying about some 90+ yr. old nazi, worry about the Arabs claiming that the Jews in Israel, have no historical claim to the land they are on, since it has always belonged to Arabs. That’s something to worry about now! WW II ended 64 yrs ago, its over, its time to worry about Now. We can never forget WW II and the Nazi atrocities, it is on 24/7 on the cable TV.


17 posted on 08/29/2009 4:04:33 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR PALIN!)
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To: vladimir998

thanks for that link.


18 posted on 08/29/2009 4:11:22 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It’s the basic rule of bureaucracies. Once started, they never come to an end. I thought when I saw the headline that the problem was just wasting the taxpayer’s money chasing 90-year old Nazis, when there are Muslim terrorists out there eager to kill us—and any Jews they happen to meet.

But I find that they have tweaked the organization to after other politically incorrect targets:

“Though the agency once pursued war criminals of the Nazis and their Axis allies exclusively, a 2004 law expanded its role to cover modern war criminals, in places like Bosnia and Rwanda.”

Of course. Only the “war criminals” who are designated as such by the NY Times or the UN. Not the ones who are current threats to the U.S. or Israel, but the ones who make liberal blood boil.

Why am I not surprised. Now this can go on forever, and not die with the last Nazi.


19 posted on 08/29/2009 4:18:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: William Tell

Do you believe that the US Justice Dept should have a special unit to find and prosecute every villian responsible for henious crimes and the hundreds and hundreds of millions of deaths due to political and sovereign state actions anywhere in the world during the last what 75 years or so? Are you really serious?


20 posted on 08/29/2009 4:20:58 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: nkycincinnatikid

The Muslims are the Nazis of the twenty-first century.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 4:22:30 PM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Carbonsteel
Perhaps it's because the Communists won.
22 posted on 08/29/2009 4:28:39 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I think it is time for these Nazi Hunters to give it up. All of them are dead or in their 90s.


23 posted on 08/29/2009 4:39:52 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Like the recent case of that Nazi from Ohio, I think it was. The government spent millions of taxpayer dollars to deport some drooling, wheel-chair bound 90 year old man to Germany, then the germans refused to prosecute him anyway on the grounds that he was unfit to stand trial. It’s difficult to admit for many, myself included, but at this point any remaining Nazi’s have already beaten the system and all outstanding “justice” will have to wait for the afterlife.
24 posted on 08/29/2009 4:40:40 PM PDT by apillar
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To: reg45

And the Communists are still the Communists , I guess.


25 posted on 08/29/2009 4:43:55 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Larry381
When I was a teenager my best friend’s father used to tell us war stories about his years in the Waffen SS. ... The strange thing was how much he loved this country something we found hard to understand considering it was only a few years previous the US and Germany were enemies. ...

I often wonder what happened to him but I also wonder how it was that someone who was an SS Man was able to emigrate into this country.

The Waffen SS recruited (and conscripted) a lot of foreigners. Was he German?

"Generally the Waffen-SS was not directly involved in the Holocaust, as the separately organised Allgemeine SS was responsible for the death camps, ..." - Wikipedia

26 posted on 08/29/2009 4:48:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Carbonsteel

Rxcellent points and I agree completely.

Except for your numbers. Total killed by commies isn’t much over 100M. It’s not “hundreds of millions.”

Of course it’s still something like 8 to 10 times the roughly 12M killed by the Nazis.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 4:50:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The old Nazi’s may be dying off, but we’re growing a whole new crop right here in America.


28 posted on 08/29/2009 5:59:09 PM PDT by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
I think it is time for these Nazi Hunters to give it up. All of them are dead or in their 90s.

The new ones are in the white house. Time to fire it up again.

29 posted on 08/29/2009 6:11:07 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Sherman Logan
Except for your numbers.

The problem with your suggestion is that you can't add numbers up to equate the magnitude of warfare.

For example, if you add up the numbers of US soldiers of WW1+WW2+Korea+Vietnam it is less than the total number of lives (military and civilian) lost during the US Civil War.

Do you see the problem?

30 posted on 08/29/2009 8:36:54 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: USCG SimTech

They should be looking for the new ones in Pakistan and many other Islamic countries.


31 posted on 08/29/2009 8:53:58 PM PDT by sonofstrangelove ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

I wasn’t the one who brought up the numerical comparison between the number killed by commies vs. nazis.

While it is true one cannot create a purely numerical scale of evil, it is still relevant that reds killed roughly 10x as many innocent people as browns.

To be perfectly fair, the nazis were working on a very short time schedule. Almost all of the killing took place after war had started and the vast majority during and after 42. So they had to kill a whole bunch of people in just a few years.

The commies had the luxury of decades to comnplete their murderous work.

If the nazis had won the war and been able to fully implement their racial ideology, it is difficult to argue that their toll wouldn’t have indeed been in the “hundreds of millions.”


32 posted on 08/29/2009 8:55:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: nkycincinnatikid; ansel12
nkycincinnatikid said: "... prosecute every villian "

ansel12 said: "Foreigners killing foreigners. "

No, not every villian. No, not foreigners killing foreigners.

But my uncle spent a year and a half in a German POW camp after being shot out of the sky. If it was worth his sacrifice and the even greater sacrifice of many Americans, then it is worth prosecuting every identifiable criminal who brought about that War.

It is also worth giving at least some thought to stopping such dictatorships from gaining the power to repeat the past.

If this particular office is shut down ten years from now, it won't bother me a bit. But it will bother me if the US becomes so isolationist that mass murder is permitted to be practiced without objection.

33 posted on 08/29/2009 11:26:50 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Bringbackthedraft said: "Stalin knocked off millions more than Hitler, yet no one wants to remember that. "

There's a very practical explanation for that.

My father was a soldier in 1943. While viewing a war-poster showing a smiling Russian soldier with has arm wrapped around a U.S. soldier, my father said, "I bet he has a knife in that hand".

My father was called before his commanding officer and reprimanded for making a disparaging comment about our Russian allies.

Stalin attempted to co-exist with Hitler and paid a price when Hitler suddenly attacked. As a result, the Russians lost millions of soldiers on the Eastern Front while the U.S. was still stock-piling jeeps and Spam in preparation for the D-Day landing. The alliance with Russia saved an unknowable number of U.S. lives.

That, I believe, is why communism gets almost a free ride. That and the fact that our main-stream-media is dominated by communists.

34 posted on 08/29/2009 11:35:38 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

European history is one thing and foreigners killing foreigners is one thing.

When do we start going after the communists that murdered 100 million people including thousands of Americans, my father was fighting Japs during his service from 1939 to 1945, when do we start searching for the Japanese war criminals that dissected, tortured and did biological experiments on American GIs, or the ones that at the end of the war were pouring gasoline and lighting up American POWs before they could be freed?

My two brothers and me and my step brother all volunteered for military service to protect us from the bloodiest killers in history, the communists but when do the trials start for the communists that tortured and murdered our fellow servicemen and countless others.

Let the Europeans deal with their stuff until we can get started on ours. Your choice to do nothing, to ignore it all except for some foreigners in Europe is unexplainable.


35 posted on 08/29/2009 11:48:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12
ansel12 said: "Your choice to do nothing, to ignore it all except for some foreigners in Europe is unexplainable."

You make is sound like you are all suited-up and waiting for the troop transport to take you to the front.

I think that some of the other posters who expressed concerns about our present administration or the communism which is Obamacare perhaps have the right target.

The people who you would prosecute have been and are being protected by the media and people like the present administration. If they are successful, the suffering and death experienced in all those foreign lands will become a reality here. I don't think you will make any progress in prosecuting those you have identified until you defeat the ones I have identified.

Are you prepared to take up arms today against the national socialists in our midst?

My postings were intended to be an explanation for why less has been done, not a justification. How do you propose we proceed?

36 posted on 08/30/2009 12:14:55 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

Shift taxpayer money to going after people that have murdered and tortured Americans in WWII and since, let the Europeans deal with their own personal histories.


37 posted on 08/30/2009 12:19:13 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: reg45

Yes they are.

But the islamic terrorists have loads of money. Their best friends are in the White House and are dismantling our capability to fight the islamic pigs daily.


38 posted on 08/30/2009 12:23:14 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (1-20-2013, HOPE for change)
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To: wideminded

When I was a teenager my best friend’s father used to tell us war stories about his years in the Waffen SS. ... The strange thing was how much he loved this country something we found hard to understand considering it was only a few years previous the US and Germany were enemies. ...
I often wonder what happened to him but I also wonder how it was that someone who was an SS Man was able to emigrate into this country.

The Waffen SS recruited (and conscripted) a lot of foreigners. Was he German?

He was a German from, if memory serves me right, East Prussia. I always found it surprising that even German soldiers who had been wounded multiple times were returned to fight again and again although from what I heard the German losses on the Eastern front were so horrendous there was propably little choice


39 posted on 08/30/2009 3:29:44 AM PDT by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: William Tell

Russians lost millions of soldiers on the Eastern Front while the U.S. was still stock-piling jeeps and Spam in preparation for the D-Day landing ................................. But while it was going on, we were sending Sherman tanks, Studebaker trucks, locomotives, B 25s, P 39s, P 40’s tons of ammo, communication equipment, uniforms, et.al. to Russia. The Arsenal of Democracy saved us from the depression while we prepared to enter the battle. Without our supplies to the USSR things may have turned out differently. What we did in WW II in regard to putting a cap on any news on the Russian atrocities, was at the time in our interest but not condoned . However we are now 64 years later and those that committed those atrocities are totally forgotten. Why, was it an internal matter? Where is the outrage? Why are they not hunted down right to the last guards at the gulags, the last executioner at Kaytn? Surely there are some 80+ yr old culprits still running around freely who were participants under Stalin’s rule. More double standard thinking I guess.


40 posted on 08/30/2009 7:06:13 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR PALIN!)
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