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From 'Yes, We Can,' to 'No! Don't!'
Wall Street Journal Opinion ^ | August 14, 2009 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 08/14/2009 7:38:14 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Don't strain the system. Don't add to the national stress level. Don't pierce when you can envelop. Don't show even understandable indignation when you can show legitimate regard. Realize that the ties that bind still bind but have grown dryer and more worn with time. They need to be strengthened, not strained.

Govern knowing we are a big, strong, mighty nation, a colossus that is, however, like all highly complex, highly wired organisms, fragile, even at places quite delicate. Don't overburden or overexcite the system. America used to have fringes, one over here and the other over there. The fringes are growing. The fringes have their own networks. All sorts of forces exist to divide us. Try always to unite.

These are things one always wants people currently rising in government to know deep in their heads and hearts. They are the things the young, fierce staffers in any new White House, and the self-proclaimed ruthless pragmatists in this one, need to hear, be told or be reminded of.

*** The big, complicated, obscure, abstruse, unsettling and ultimately unhelpful health-care plans, proposals and ideas keep rolling out of Washington. Five bills, thousands of pages, "as it says on page 346, paragraph 3, subsection D." No one knows what will be passed, what will make its way through House-Senate "conference." They don't even know what the president wants, what his true agenda is. He never seems to be leveling, only talking. Everything's open to misdirection and exaggeration, and everything, people fear, will come down to some future bureaucrat's interpretation of paragraph 3, subsection D, part 22.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; divider; nodont; noonan; nowecant; noyoucant; obama; obamunism; peggynoonan; third100days; yeswecan
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1 posted on 08/14/2009 7:38:15 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’m not sure what her point is...somehow I sense it’s a Rodney King “Why can’t we all just get along?” plea. She still can’t call it like it is: This health care monstrosity, just like cap & tax, and the takeover of the financial and automotive industries, are nothing more than fascist power grabs.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 7:44:33 AM PDT by henkster (The frog has noticed the increase in water temperature)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“No You Won’t!”....much better cadence.

Peggy’s obtuse style wears thin, very thin. When the people no longer trust this government, it’s a good thing, because that is what the Founders intended.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 7:44:49 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The single most important factor that imperils Obamacare is the exploding deficit. We just simply cannot afford the humungous cost of Obamacare. To put this in some context, when Medicare was passed it too was underestimated cosr-wise, Today, Medicare costs are minimally ten times more than the estimate that was originally given when Medicare was passed. Today, Medicare is on the verge of bankruptcy. Obamacare would make things even worse both as another overly bureaucratic entitlement government program as well as financially irresponsible.


4 posted on 08/14/2009 7:46:58 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The best, most salient part of her piece is the following..............................When even Peggy Noonan is waking up to the fact that Obama is an empty suit, you know he is in trouble. She LOVED his speeches, his class, his wordsmithing, and his ability to rise above the fray. Now that he has to get down in the muck to describe the details of his socialist schemes, he is being exposed for all the world to see. The emperor has no clothes, and all the POTUS's yes men in Congress and the MSM can't fool the folks in flyover country............................................................ "The president seemed like a man long celebrated as being very good at politics—the swift rise, the astute reading of a varied electorate—who is finding out day by day that he isn't actually all that good at it. In this sense he does seem reminiscent of Jimmy Carter, who was brilliant at becoming president but not being president. (Actually a lot of them are like that these days.) Also, something odd. When Mr. Obama stays above the fray, above the nitty-gritty of specifics, when he confines his comments on health care to broad terms, he more and more seems . . . pretty slippery. In the town hall he seemed aware of this, and he tried to be very specific about the need for this aspect of a plan, and the history behind that proposal. And yet he seemed even more slippery. When he took refuge in the small pieces of his argument, he lost the major threads; when he addressed the major threads, he seemed almost to be conceding that the specifics don't hold. When you seem slippery both in the abstract and the particular, you are in trouble."
5 posted on 08/14/2009 7:47:20 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: kittymyrib

bttt


6 posted on 08/14/2009 7:47:24 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: henkster

I’ve gotten to the point that I DON’T WANT to “get along” with these collectivists.

They insist on enslaving us to their collective, and all we want to do is to be left alone to succeed or fail based on our own efforts.

It’s time for a separation. We need to make it impossible for their policies to affect our lives. Yes, I’m talking secession or at the very least, state sovereignty as intended at the founding.


7 posted on 08/14/2009 7:47:42 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"abstruse" is a great word. I needed to look it up.

I love FR, always something new to learn from it.

8 posted on 08/14/2009 7:48:58 AM PDT by wbill
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To: MrB
It’s time for a separation. We need to make it impossible for their policies to affect our lives. Yes, I’m talking secession or at the very least, state sovereignty as intended at the founding.

Yes - It - Is!

Yes - It - Is!

Yes - It - Is!

9 posted on 08/14/2009 7:50:17 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Peg, wouldn’t it have been nice if the other candidates had seen this coming? Well, wait a minute. At least one did. Unfortunately, you don’t like her very much.


10 posted on 08/14/2009 7:50:33 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: kittymyrib

I agree on her writing style. It’s too self-consciously lyrical, and lacks the clarity necessary for a serious political debate.

It does in some measure explain her initial fascination with Obama, since it speaks of an inclination toward style over substance, an infatuation with the sounds of words rather than their actual meaning or consequence.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 7:52:45 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Can we trade in the clunker we have in the White House?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Dear Peggy Noonan;

Read Saul Alinksy. It is the Obama playbook.

How can you still be this dense about what this guy is up to?

Wake up! This is not fringe vrs fringe, this is the people vrs the fringe. Only the fringe now controls the White House.

12 posted on 08/14/2009 7:53:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

So, Peggy, what do you think about Sarah Palin’s vindication over her “Death Panel” statement?


13 posted on 08/14/2009 7:53:19 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Peggy has turned into such an old lady.

Her entire point seems to be that she wants the kids to stop making all that noise.

Play nice, congress. Quiet down. Get along. Grandma's watching her shows and you're scaring her cats.

14 posted on 08/14/2009 7:54:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I agree, to a point.

She is extremely self-conscious, but she isn't lyrical. She only TRIES to be.

And this sort of hackneyed ten-dollar-word-writing may be passable in a college literary magazine where "style" is the be-all and end-all, but it's completely wrong for a serious discussion of political reality.

Reality and Peggy parted company a long, long time ago.

15 posted on 08/14/2009 7:56:54 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I don’t give Noonan the dignity of a click anymore. Take your meds and fire up the porch rocker, Aunt Peggy. Conservatives are never fooled by rascals like 0bama — and govt itself is a rascal, needing constant watching and regular thrashing.


16 posted on 08/14/2009 7:57:42 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: kittymyrib

I like,” No You can’t” and the “You” does not include me.

Peggy seems downright sorry Obama is failing to sell this plan, but then she was one who thought he would blossom into some kind of healer, post Bush, who she didn’t like.

Wishful thinking it was and it is now becoming obvious to all thinking voters...and writers.


17 posted on 08/14/2009 7:59:37 AM PDT by JeanLM
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“The president [Obama] seemed like a man long celebrated as being very good at politics—the swift rise, the astute reading of a varied electorate—who is finding out day by day that he isn’t actually all that good at it. In this sense he does seem reminiscent of Jimmy Carter, who was brilliant at becoming president but not being president.”

This may be a bit understated by Noonan, but it’s still pretty good. She certainly seems to be conceding that Obama is not good as the President. She see’s him as not being able to connect the dots between broad visions and minutia; as a poor leader. Could you expect more from Noonan? ...nnnnnah!


18 posted on 08/14/2009 8:03:18 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: JeanLM

I wonder what Christopher Buckley is thinking these days?


19 posted on 08/14/2009 8:03:37 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Can we trade in the clunker we have in the White House?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Sounds like Peggy is experiencing her own brand of “voter’s remorse”; ennui. There’s a lot of wishful thinking in this piece along with the wishy-washy growing realization that she let herself be hoodwinked by this charlatan and invested all of her conservative credility in him.

In order for to her work her way back into the good grace of conservatives, she will have to turn on zero. IMO, she isn’t ready to do that yet because she still doesn’t recognize the full measure of his marxism.

When she finally does get there, it won’t be pretty . . . . . for Obama. Think “Woman Scorned” type of thing.


20 posted on 08/14/2009 8:05:44 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Hate to say I told ya so Peggy...

But I’ll be the first to welcome you and the rest of America back to reality.

JUst don’t let him fool you twice.


21 posted on 08/14/2009 8:06:31 AM PDT by Def Conservative (Obama is a joke.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I hope Peggy is enjoying the inside the Beltway cocktail parties that she favors above all else.

No use for her at all


22 posted on 08/14/2009 8:07:01 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The president [Obama] seemed like a man long celebrated as being very good at politics

Uh...and wasn't she one of the ones celebrating him?

Noonan jumped the shark when she castigated George W. for saying "God" in a speech. Her writings are like a teenage girl's diary.

23 posted on 08/14/2009 8:07:25 AM PDT by what's up
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

>>>>> They don’t even know what the president wants, what his true agenda is. He never seems to be leveling, only talking. <<<<<

Noonan seems to be getting more MoDo-ish over time, with lots of disconnected but snappy thoughts and liberal use of non sequiturs.

But with the sentence above she’s either getting a bit doltish or is deliberately not seeing what is there for the world to see.

1) Zer0 wants 100 percent government run health care.

2) He wants 25 million++ illegal aliens to be made legal within the next calendar year and hence to be covered by the new rationed and subsidized health care insurance which is the be paid for by American citizens.

It’s very simple, and Noonan the pious and innocent “Republican” observer is simply fibbing to say she doesn’t know that.


24 posted on 08/14/2009 8:07:45 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: angkor

These extremely politically correct people on both the right and the left who like Obama and bend over backwards for him simply because of his “blackness” make me sick.


25 posted on 08/14/2009 8:10:51 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: milwguy

She’s a shallow elitist twit, and she’s still hanging on to the socialist empty suit.. In fact, whe has become unreadable.


26 posted on 08/14/2009 8:10:56 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: MrB
It’s time for a separation. We need to make it impossible for their policies to affect our lives. Yes, I’m talking secession or at the very least, state sovereignty as intended at the founding.

I hate agreeing with you only because I have grown up in an America that was "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all". However, for a couple of years or so, I have had the same feeling. The left has pulled too many too far to the left and made discourse and discussion with them impossible. There is no more us; there is us and them, regardless which side of the fence you are on.

So, relectantly, I have to agree. The remaining question then, is who gets what and what do we do to ensure that they stay in (what will become) their marxist paradise?? Build walls? Guard towers every 100 yards, or so?

27 posted on 08/14/2009 8:13:13 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Ev Reeman

>>>> politically correct people on both the right and the left who like Obama and bend over backwards for him simply because of his “blackness” <<<<

It is the way of a corrupt and thoroughly degenerate Washington DC.

I really don’t think it has anything to do with race. Well, maybe a little, but still not much.


28 posted on 08/14/2009 8:15:16 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Who could’ve seen that one coming now that public opinion is souring on B.O.?

Isn’t that the way it is with all those who fancy themselves as “moderates”? — you know... “the more nuanced, thoughtful, reasonable” ones among us.

In reality, these gutless wonders always wait until the “consensus” opinion of their friends change, then they feel it’s “safe” to speak out.

Pathetic, shallow persons - her and all her RINO friends.


29 posted on 08/14/2009 8:17:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Peggy has the same “ school marm talking down to pre schoolers “ style
that Claire McCaskill adopts with her Town Halls.
However, Peggy does conclude that Barry has become
“ slippery.”
Slippery Soetero.


30 posted on 08/14/2009 8:18:00 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: DustyMoment

Here are two guarantees to keep the two types of collectivists out:

1) No entitlements. 2 Thess 3:10 all the way baby. Won’t work? you don’t eat.

That keeps out the parasite collectivists.

Now for the elitists.

2) Make it impossible for the State to have power over the consumption choices or the behaviors of the individual - ie, a strict anti-busybody society.

Elitists cannot stomach not being able to impose their superior intellect on everyone else - they’ll stay away.

No need for guard towers, walls, etc. Just “take down the bird feeder” and you won’t have to clean up poop.


31 posted on 08/14/2009 8:18:54 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Add: DON’T read Peggy Noonan....


32 posted on 08/14/2009 8:19:48 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Her syrupy prose makes me ill. Her politics makes me violently ill. Yuck.


33 posted on 08/14/2009 8:21:35 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Her syrupy prose makes me ill. Her politics makes me violently ill. Yuck.


34 posted on 08/14/2009 8:21:44 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The president seemed like a man long celebrated as being very good at politics—the swift rise, the astute reading of a varied electorate—who is finding out day by day that he isn't actually all that good at it.

Gee, Peg, you could've said this a year ago. I saw it and I'm not even a pundit.

35 posted on 08/14/2009 8:24:45 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: DustyMoment
Sounds like Peggy is experiencing her own brand of “voter’s remorse”; ennui.

In fairness, I'm pretty sure Peggy ended up voting for McCain.

36 posted on 08/14/2009 8:34:05 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Nonstatist
She’s a shallow elitist twit, and she’s still hanging on to the socialist empty suit.

The truth is always worth repeating.

37 posted on 08/14/2009 8:36:19 AM PDT by penowa
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"...It has lessened the thing an admired president must have from the people, and that is trust...."

What a Horse's Ass.

Clue phone for P. Noonan: It is the arrogance, deception and outright lying that have degraded trust, which in my opinion, needs a LOT more degrading. (The following comments were from a Freeper who I cannot recall...whoever you are, these are your words, not mine, and worth repeating.)

At a contrived "town hall" in New Hampshire on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 he said the following:

"I have not said that I was a single payer supporter.” Pres. Barack Hussein Obama, Aug 11, 2009

Compare that to what he said while campaigning for the Senate to his union supporters, and was cheered while so doing:

“...I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we’ve got to take back the White House, we’ve got to take back the Senate, and we’ve got to take back the House.” Barack Hussein Obama, June 30, 2003 to AFL-CIO

I guess he thinks he can say whatever he wants at any given time and it will be truth. That is the definition of a pathological liar. He and those around him and supporting him are drunk with power and control, and this issue is rapidly sizing up to be a "Bridge too Far," for their marxist ideology and radical health care agenda.

38 posted on 08/14/2009 8:36:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Peggy, if you read this, let it be known that you’ve gone wobbly. You are mentally unstable. You have lost all credibility. Get back on your Meds. It’s too late now to wise up to the abomination that is Obama, and the breath of fresh air and the decency that is Sarah Palin. You are an enemy of decency and truth - nothing more than a pawn of the Socialist retard. Sorry hon.


39 posted on 08/14/2009 8:39:49 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: rlmorel

VDH has an article in the IBD today,
comparing today’s America with Oceania of 1984.

There was a concept of “doublethink” where citizens
were required to believe two opposite “truths” at
the same time.


40 posted on 08/14/2009 8:39:49 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rlmorel

Rush Limbaugh also made this point too about the discrepancy from two different Obama speeches. Obama lies every time he opens his mouth. It is not in his psyche to be able to tell the truth.


41 posted on 08/14/2009 8:40:37 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Ms. Noonan, as too often these days, spends her words lavishly. But even here, as usual, there is a very big big point that one wishes she'd spent more time addressing:

They don't even know what the president wants, what his true agenda is. He never seems to be leveling, only talking....

The president seemed like a man long celebrated as being very good at politics—the swift rise, the astute reading of a varied electorate—who is finding out day by day that he isn't actually all that good at it.

Also, something odd. When Mr. Obama stays above the fray, above the nitty-gritty of specifics, when he confines his comments on health care to broad terms, he more and more seems . . . pretty slippery.

She's nibbling at an extremely important point there ... something that one wishes she had just come out and said straight:

Obama has no clue about how to be president. He has no idea what to do.

He has vague notions about things that need to be fixed, and vague notions about how he might maybe go about fixing them, and then he talks about them, as if talking were all that's needed to actually fix them.

Policies and decisions still need to be made, even when the president is incompetent. And because Obama has no clue, the real power of the executive branch rests with whomever can influence what Obama says. So ... who's that? Who's the power behind the throne?

Well... Obama has been a stooge of Chicago politics for a long time; and he's still a stooge of Chicago politicians...

42 posted on 08/14/2009 8:43:39 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Ev Reeman; rightwingintelligentsia
The single most important EXPEDIENT factor that imperils Obamacare is the exploding deficit. We just simply cannot afford the humungous cost of Obamacare.

Yes. For now it's important and the easiest cudgel. But this is a teachable moment for the masses....and they will take away a lesson, assuredly.

If we harp on the cost, the deficit, then we tacitly grant that Obamacare might be acceptable if and when "we can afford it."

The Dems, right now, would be glad to get out of this battle with that being the commonly accepted wisdom of the masses coming out of this.

OTOH, we have an oppty to sack DC. To tar and feather the entire leftist movement with its true colors of totalitarian-type class-war thinking as BAD.

If we 'win' because 'Obamacare is too expensive right now'...then it can leave the muddled middle with the impression that at least the Dems want to spend money on them, and the mean old repubs want the middle class to hurt in the hard times.

Subtle point, but I think it's very important. But right now we have no General Washington to look at the maps and see this opprtunity.

43 posted on 08/14/2009 8:45:20 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I refuse to give any credence to a person that fell for style over substance during such an important election. What a joke.


44 posted on 08/14/2009 8:47:01 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Sarah Palin’s Facebook posts are a lot more coherent and readable than this tripe.


45 posted on 08/14/2009 8:47:55 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: MrB
I am somewhat of a devotee of 1984 simply from the perspective of a cautionary tale. I have read it at least a half dozen times, and listened twice to an excellent unabridged audiobook version.

People like Peggy Noonan contributed to what we see bubbling up in our government. If she is changing her mind, good on her. She can help atone for it by writing unambiguously about how she, as a supposedly astute intellectual was completely bamboozled by a charlatan.

That is the only way I will forgive her and others like her, but I doubt we will ever see it. It is too important to someone like her to be accepted in the cocktail circles.

That is what I really like about Mark Levin. He honestly could not give a Rat's Ass about that, so he is free to tell it like he sees it.

46 posted on 08/14/2009 8:51:49 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Ev Reeman
That is what completely burns me up.

The fact that he does not even seem at all concerned that he is on record as saying in a forceful way just how he feels.

It is as if he is speaking to the sheeple, and while doing it looks directly at us with a smirk as if to say "As long as most of them believe me, I can lie directly to your face, and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. Just lie back and take it."

47 posted on 08/14/2009 8:56:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

BO is an affected DimBulb just as affected Dimbulb Peggy Noonan. She writes like some mushy British Victorian novelist...she’ll never get it.


48 posted on 08/14/2009 8:57:17 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: rlmorel

THE driving impetus in an elitist’s mind is the appearance of intellect.

That is why they reject the strict constructionist view of the Constitution. Strict constructionism leaves no room to show their superior intellect.


49 posted on 08/14/2009 8:57:26 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: henkster

The point is that Noonan still believes that Obama is that nice young man who sounds like a professor.

Lenin wrote about her as one of the “useful idiots” who serve their purpose until the Marxist can take over.


50 posted on 08/14/2009 8:58:07 AM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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