Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity
Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
I see, so that's why all the birthers here are obcessing over the birth certificate.
“Judgment” is found in the Bible, at the hand of God, which comes in the form of personal judgment and national judgment. But, the Bible is clear that all personal judgment does not come in *this lifetime* — but we see it coming at the “Great White Throne Judgment” (in Revelation 20) in which the “books are opened” and then things are judged from what is in them. And from that, the final judgment is given and then those are thrown into the lake of fire to be there and tormented forevermore. That’s judgment for the unsaved. There is another and different kind of judgment for the saved.
So, for the unsaved, that’s the judgment that will happen on a personal level and not Karma... and that judgment happens after the resurrection of the dead to that particular Great White Throne Judgment.
Not all things are judged here in this life and many people do get away with things and the Bible is clear on that. There is *nothing* in the Bible that says that things will “balance out” in this life — nothing at all...
But, as a side note on “judgment” — when it comes to “national judgment” — in that matter *all things are judged now* — and currently, in the “life of a nation”. There is no “afterlife” for a “nation”. Thus we can expect the judgment for the USA to be *now*...
You expect a truthful answer from the sprout? Try this:
There's no reasonable doubt he is eligible to be president, but that does not excuse his dishonesty about his past.
Excellent point, let me say again.
In some ways, the BC controversy distracts from what is actually a legitimate issue.
Is his son with a US citzen born on US soil a NBC..since the father has dual allegiance?.
I can see why this hasn't been spelled out. There are a myriad of possibilities.. --
I'd say the child born of mixed citizenship is not eligible to be president, for the reason that his upbringing contains the possibility of him holding conflicting loyalty.
No doubt, this rule precludes good and even desirable persons from taking the office, but the pedigree being sought is shallow, to the parents only. No rule is infallible, as you point out a person may secretly be loyal to a foreign country, while professing and holding "legal allegiance" (born of US citizens and born in the US) to the United States. Just the same, the words "natural born" must have some purpose in the constitution, and the only purpose that makes sense to me is that the founders intended to provide the country with a sort of purity test, for the person who held the foreign-affairs powers.
I'm beyond pissed off at Congress, and didn't even take a serious look at this NBC question until a couple days ago. I am not surprised in the least that Congress is derelict in not acknowledging this controversy, let alone probing and resolving it in a respectful, convincing way. NBC isn't "personal," as against somebody. It's a condition that is an accident of birth, but that accident of birth is supposed to define the pool of people eligible to assume the office of President and VP.
That Congress blows it off is of no surprise to me. They've ruined everything they touch, education, the economy, military/terror courts, and now, the legitimacy of the president is in serious question on account of their dereliction.
My personal reaction is simple. I find the US government to be a banana republic, a nation of men, not laws, and morally illegitimate.
You said — Karma was plagiarized from God’s word.
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There is not the least little thing about Karma in the Bible. The concept exists nowhere in the Bible as is stated by what Karma is and is taught to be....
There is God’s judgment and that is taught, but there’s no relation of Karma to judgment. Judgment takes place at the Great White Throne Judgment (for the unsaved dead) and that’s *after* someone has died and left this earth. That judgment does not take place in this present life — and — in addition, there is no subsequent life to go around in cycles about, either.
In addition to that, there is another kind of judgment that happens for the “saved dead” and that’s the “Judgment Seat of Christ” — which is, once again, *after* one has left this present life. That’s another judgment that occurs and *not* in this life. Both of those are the ultimate judgments and the final judgments.
The only thing I need to think about is — “Am I logged in?”... LOL...
I just love how after-birthers keep their heads buried in the sand.
Well, then, since you know these arguments, feel free to argue them before a court, then. Let me know when that’s going to happen so I can get my seat in the gallery... :-)
In the meantime, the general public is reading what the State of Hawaii says about Obama being born in Hawaii and that he is a natural-born American citizen...
I would say that you better *hurry up* with that court case or else, everyone else in the general public is going to forget that there is even a court case at all...
I say let these people be. When lawyer and constitutional expert Ann Coulter—an icon on the right who has made a career out of exposing the left—is dismissed, well, you might as well be talking to yourself.
Campaign funds expenditure reports are not "thin air."
I'd like to see that to. Unfortunately, none of it is relevant to his eligibility to be president.
open up and discuss why his Grandmother said she was at his birth in Kenya
She didn't. That's one of those internet myths with no basis in fact.
and ask why in the hell we don’t for every president have a birth certificate on record for the public view.
No other president I know of made his brith certificate on record for the public to view until after
Which is exactly why the posted that bunch of HUBRIS, and why we must expose it.
The records issue is the one that will take him down, and that is why they will expend this massive effort to dismiss it.
Side-stepping?
Retribution, and "Reap the whirlwind" are, and that is where the idea of Karma comes from.
What if he is, in fact, a natural born citizen and can prove it. Maybe let us know in 2012 after we have spent 4 years wasting our time and spinning our wheels on this.
The ‘sprout’ has given us a whole football field on this thread alone!
Not all things are judged here in this life and many people do get away with things and the Bible is clear on that. There is *nothing* in the Bible that says that things will “balance out” in this life — nothing at all...
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All things do not balance out during our lives. Some things do and some get balanced out after we die. It is ongoing and eternal
It is good that the WSJ admits its previous attempts to dismiss "birther" claims were a inadequate. Too bad the WSJ still fails to address the issue of why an original birth certificate is needed to to prove Hawaiian birth. A birth computer printout like the one already shown could have been obtained just by filling out a form after the birth had taken place elsewhere.
Only an original birth certificate would prove the birth took place in an Hawaiian hospital.
Campaign expenditure reports (required by law) say he has spent well over $900,000 on this issue.
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