Obama, Clinton, McCaskill ORIGINAL 'BIRTHERS' (April 10, 2008): Scrubbing McCain's NBC Status

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[txhurl]

SRES 511 ATS

110th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. RES. 511

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 10, 2008

Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

April 24, 2008

Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment

April 30, 2008

Considered and agreed to

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RESOLUTION

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

[txhurl]

They were the original birthers who put us on the trail.

They can spend Senate resources on a non-binding resolution, but 0 can't spend a few bucks?

Hey, State Run Media, are you ready for about 500 SR 511 rebuttals? Are you SURE you want to take this on this weekend?

[conservativegramma]

Key phrase from this bill:

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936..

Plural. This bill affirms that BOTH parents have to be citizens. Spread this to everyone you know - this bill by itself disqualifies Obama - nevermind where he was born.

[txhurl]

Just cut & paste the text of the REAL original birthers’ Senate Resolution whenever the State Run Media makes a weak-wristed attempt at the issue.

[South40]

Impeach the Kenyan...then deport him.

[Batman11]

Pingarooni

[Dinah Lord]

You know I heard about this at the time and thought it was very weird...

It just doesn’t pass the smell test.

[theFIRMbss]

>Hey, State Run Media...

None of these people
felt any imperative
to do this same thing

for Obama. That
is a clue his paperwork
must be in order.

[MHGinTN]

And he signed onto that definition! ... But his shills working FR will retort that if one is born on US soil, that makes one a natural born citizen ... ignoring completely that the resolution focuses on McCain having American citizen PARENTS without noting the addition requirement of ‘on US soil which they added regarding being born in the Canal zone. Which is of itself under suspicion and I think the trap Leahy et al laid for the feckless idiot McCain should he have been elected, to disqaulify him on grounds he was actually born in Colon, Panama.

[MHGinTN]

Bwahahahaha ... by his own words he contradicts what he signed onto in McCain’s case. Nice try, doofus.

[txhurl]

Not only did he sign on to it, he tried to slip in verbiage favorable to his OWN case.

Verbiage didn’t make it.

[conservativegramma]

Yep, McCaskill tried to pass legislation that changed the definition of natural born to only ‘one’ citizen parent instead of two. It failed. Definition of TWO parents stands! Obama isn’t eligible!!

[txhurl]

ping

[Entrepreneur]

Impeach the Kenyan...then deport him.

Let's send the military to get him in his pajamas and drop him in Costa Rica so he can hang out with his buds, Chavez, Ortega, Castro, and Zelaya.

[1066AD]

I read somewhere that Hillary tried to broaden this to cover just about anyone born abroad to US citizens to be “NBC”.

[2ndDivisionVet]

The lying mainstream media, not ashamed of their partisan effort to elect the fraud Obama, are pulling out all stops to defend him from questions about his eligibility.

Remember this one fact readers, above all else, these people posing as journalists are the worst kind of yellow liars, and everything they tell you on this issue will be a lie.

The biggest lie they will tell you is that Obama has produced his birth certificate.

He has not.

He should though, for its all he has to do to make this whole thing go away.

Remember.

I have always claimed the media are corrupt.

The lies they will tell on this issue, warming up to be the biggest news story the US has seen in decades, prove once and for all that there are almost no real journalists out there any more and that the left have infiltrated the profession and are using it to propagandize for their ideology.

True journalists would be acting for the people and demanding that any POTUS should show the full birth certificate, a task so simple it is unbelievable Obama should spend hundreds of thousands to avoid doing so.

It makes it clear to me that the first step to restoring our Republic is to cleanse the mainstream media of socialist liars posing as journalists. The current mainstream media must be driven to bankruptcy and real reporters and journalists must replace the current gang of deceitful liars.

The most recent move the stinking yellow media have adopted is to name those who wish to see the US Constitution upheld as “Birthers”.

For the uninitiated, this is a term used by the media to ridicule those who believe that Obama has not ever produced the long form birth certificate showing full details of his birth, and is therefore ineligible to be president in the first place.

The US Constitution demands that the US President be born in The US. I happen to believe that Constitution to be the most important factor, much more important than the ambitions of a snivelling transitory socialist scumbag who has managed to hide every detail of his past life from the public.

It is the job of journalists to demand accountability from politicians. They are so in the tank for this charlatan that it is a crime, and if there is ever a civil war or any kind of armed uprising, these yellow scum, who have betrayed their profession to their ideology, will almost certainly be the first to swing from sturdy lamp posts by their necks and strong hemp ropes.

Remember, the bottom line to this issue is that Mr. Obama can stop all of the questioning by simply producing the long form certificate, and not the Certification Of Live Birth (COLB) that he has tried to pass off as a birth certificate. The same document his half sister who freely admits to being born in Indonesia has produced.

When Mr. Obama produces his true Birth Certificate, and it confirms what is shown on the Certification of Live Birth, the case is closed.

[montanajoe]

Everyone knows of course that a senate resolution does not have the force of law...

[txhurl]

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

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In retrospect, they really were were working with crayolas, huh :)

[BP2]

The definition used by the Senate is based upon Vattel's Law of Nations. Here's some FACTS about Vattel's book:

-- On Monday, March 10, 1794, during the height of young Republic’s neutrality crisis, the Senate ordered: “That the Secretary purchase Blackstone’s Commentaries, and Vattel’s Law of Nature and Nations, for the use of the Senate.” This purchase order for these first books that the Senate bought was apparently the only books the Senate ordered in the eighteenth century

-- The first American edition was published in New York in 1796 (SEE THAT EDITION BELOW). Vattel’s book, according to Benjamin Franklin as early as 1775, was “continually in the hands of the members of our Congress now sitting.”

[txhurl]

Everyone knows of course that a senate resolution does not have the force of law...

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No, it’s just a ‘sense of the Senate’.

But it does take a million more times energy than just picking up the phone, calling the Hawa’ii Dept of Vital Statistics and saying ‘ship me a copy of my long form so I don’t have to get the US House AND Senate involved in this.’

[Prodigal Son]

Thanks for posting that. I have heard about this definition by Vattel but this is the first time I have seen it.

[txhurl]

bttt

[montanajoe]

As I have said in other posts my theory is that O has planned this all along. He is setting a trap for his political opponents that he will spring right before the midterm elections by producing the BC.
He will then be able to label everyone opposing him as right wing racist wing nuts and the public pushed by the media will buy it handing the GOP a final disastrous defeat.

This resolution only demonstrates to me that O's strategy from the very beginning..

[freekitty]

If I were Congress, I would start shying away from Obama.

[John Valentine]

This crucial evidence as to the Framers’ intent is of such supreme importance to this debate that it deserves a posting of its own.

[freekitty]

Yep, that’s a possibility.

[TankerKC]

This bill affirms that BOTH parents have to be citizens.

Time for a civics lesson.

[TribalPrincess2U]

LOL —ORIGINAL BIRTHERS

Flashback: proof of the left’s selective rules.

They can run but they can’t hide!

[txhurl]

He will then be able to label everyone opposing him as right wing racist wing nuts

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He already did that on the campaign trail: bitter, clinging, or weren’t you there?

He still has to explain McCaskill trying to put together legislation changing the two citizens parents requirement to one citizens parent.

This is one case where he can’t bury the record.

[RegulatorCountry]

Source that cite (it obviously came from somewhere else, since “SEE THAT EDITION BELOW” is left hanging), and then start a thread in Bloggers & Personal. Doesn’t matter where you put it, it’ll show up on the main screen on the “Articles” tab or the “Comments” tab, and will be seen. I say “Bloggers & Personal” so you won’t get flamed for a vanity in News & Activism.

[USNBandit]

A child born of two citizens becomes a citizen at birth as long as one of the citizens ever resided in the United States. There are special provisions for children of citizens that are born overseas to parents serving the government or as missionaries.

One the flip side if you only have one parent that is a U.S.C. then it depends on when you were born.

For example, birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

[montanajoe]

I was there and I saw how well it worked..we lost or weren't you there?
In my opinion what will be remembered by the MSM from this sense of congress is the fact that McCain was foreign born and still eligible to run for president. Again I think O’s strategy was not just to win the presidency in ‘08 but to secure an final defeat of the right in 2010..

[txhurl]

ping

[BP2]

Everyone knows of course that a senate resolution does not have the force of law...

YES -- BUT understand, that the SCOTUS has elected NOT to consider NBC, as they feel it's a Congressional matter.

ALSO understand that out of nearly 30 other attempts by Congress to (re)define "Natural Born Citizen" since the 1870s, S. Res 511 is the ONLY formal Resolution from the House or Senate on "Natural Born Citizen" to make it out of Committee.

Start by checking the Congressional Record (http://thomas.loc.gov/) for:

-- S. 2678 (2008)
-- H. J. RES. 15 (2005)
-- H. J. RES. 104 (2004)
-- H. J. RES. 47 (2001)
-- in the 80s, attempts were added to "English as the official US language" legislation
-- ... and further back ...

For those who care to do the research, you'll discover that this is the case ...

[montanajoe]

Which means from you logic that after O controls the congress they are free to pass legislation, not just a resolution, defining a NBC to suit their political purposes..

[BP2]

Which means from you logic that after O controls the congress they are free to pass legislation, not just a resolution, defining a NBC to suit their political purposes..

At THIS point in the Natural Born Citizen "discussion" -- I dare them to try that ... I REALLY do!

[RegulatorCountry]

Congress is not able to define the Constitutional term “natural-born citizen” or the requirements of such for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency, barring a Constitutional Convention.

Congres is, however, Constitutionally tasked with determining other citizenship matters, specifically naturalization.

[MHGinTN]

Freeper Beckwith has done just that at FR, and the material can be found at his Netpage, http://www.theobamafile.com

[celtic gal]

Chrissy, crybaby, Matthews needs to get the word..he is spitting mad at this outrage by those of us who are offended that our Constitution is being so tramped upon by this more white than black Kenyan..

[danamco]

Impeach the Kenyan...then deport him.

That is a far to easy solution!

He needs to be frog marched directly to Leavenworth and kept forever!!

Together with a whole bunch of dems and pubs as well!!!

[danamco]

When Mr. Obama produces his true Birth Certificate, and it confirms what is shown on the Certification of Live Birth, the case is closed.

NOT AT ALL!

There is whole bunch of other requirements that need to be met!!

His father was NOT a U.S. citizen, therefor the case is NOT closed!!!

[danamco]

He will then be able to label everyone opposing him as right wing racist wing nuts and the public pushed by the media will buy it handing the GOP a final disastrous defeat.

Then how do you explain his father's status, or his adoption to Indonesia???

[montanajoe]

I'm saying he is going to come up with a genuine or undetectable forgery saying he was born in Hawaii that will be accepted by the mainstream media and in turn the general public. I think he has planned this all along..

[SiVisPacemParaBellum]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sr110-511

[txhurl]

Enough to link it.

http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/obamas-birth-certificate-conspiracy-sr-511-and-faithless-electors/

S. Res.511 clearly states that “…Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States…”

Whereas, a natural born Citizen is not defined? Hold your horses there and re-read. Natural born citizen is not defined. Hmmmmmmm? The bill states, ” Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President…” This piece of legislation was introduced, written and passed clearly with intent to extend the meaning of the Constitution, and prior to SR 511 there was no presidency in Congress.

Mrs. Clinton’s support and co-authorship of this bill, even though they were battling in the primary election for the presidency, was so incredibly strategic and manipulative on Obama’s part that it borders on absolute fraud. The bill completely attempts to redefine his citizenship and will try to keep him eligible, constitutionally as the 44th President, even after he finally shows his Official Vault Birth Certificate.

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Author assumes he has one.

[BP2]

Time for a civics lesson.

Here's one ;)

The Founders wanted the President to be a NBC to ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive branch has UNQUESTIONABLE, UNWAVERING loyalty to the United States, first and foremost. They did NOT want someone loyal to King George (or his successors) to regain power over the independent colonies. Some even questioned George Washington, but from before 1776 and beyond, Gen. Washington had proven himself loyal to the independent colonies to all but his staunchest critics.

At one point in Constitutional discussions, the delegates in 1787 considered THREE “presidents” in the Executive for “checks and balances.” They ALSO considered a NBC clause for Senators as well. Debating those issues, they felt that a NBC clause for Senators would limit the pool of possible candidates and could cause bad feelings with immigrants needed to “jump start” the newly-formed Republic.

In the end, the Framers compromised that Senators be required to be US residents for 9 years, while striking the NBC clause for the office. The Framers understood that even though the US is a "nation of immigrants," INTERNAL Checks and Balances by sheer numbers of US citizens should prevent "foreign interests" from overwhelming the House and Senate (which, of course, had far fewer Senators and Representatives than we have today with 50 states).

The Framers also compromised on ONE Executive vs THREE. But as a type of “check and balance,” the Framers inserted a "blood loyalty" requirement in Art II, Sect. 1, Clause 5: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...”

The NBC clause was NOT an accident, nor was it an inane rule to be restrictive to immigrants, and it certainly isn't just a "political" issue ... LOYALTY to the Republic is the reason the NBC clause was inserted into the Constitution for the POTUS.

Consider the "Checks and Balances" in the US Constitution ...

535 Members of the US Congress here and

9 Justices in the US Supreme Court here

But only - ONE - US Executive here

[April Lexington]

If the Constitution is being set aside for the convenience of the Democratic Party, then I suggest we go buy some slaves and ban women from voting. These prohibitions disadvantage slave owners and men...

[MHGinTN]

I do so enjoy your posts. I envy your patience, too.

[MHGinTN]

The Constitutional contract is being abrogated by the federal oligarchs, so that they can sweep away the old Republic. It is happening before your eyes and the vast majority of Americans have not a clue because they have become dependents, and have been programmed to lap up the enemdia bilge and like it.

[txhurl]

bttt

[April Lexington]

Fear not! There are plenty enough of us to keep that from happening. Just be ready... Remember the State House lawn when they wanted to adopt an income tax? That was fun!