Posted on 07/10/2009 9:26:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480
Chatter abounds around the web about a paragraph calling for a “world political authority” in Pope Benedict’s new encyclical, Caritas in Veritate. John Zmirak writes that it is the only paragraph that he finds troubling. George Weigel concludes that this section and...other statements he finds unacceptable are the result of...the influence of the supposedly ideology-driven Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. Weigel suggests that statements influenced by PCJP (as identified by “those with advanced degrees in Vaticanology”) are inconsistent with the rest of the “Benedictine” text. The implication is that we can ignore passages some might find troublesome, such as the “world political authority” section, where the strong language understandably has so many upset....
...Catholics certainly have many reasons to criticize the UN on human life issues, but it is hard to argue with the assertion that—at least as long as it remains the primary institutional means for global cooperation—the UN should be more effective in helping resolve the pressing cross-border issues identified above....
...[W]e must address some of the language that many find troubling, particularly the section here about “effective power to ensure security for all” and “to ensure compliance…” These phrases understandably trouble many conservatives, who imagine an Orwellian bureaucracy that eases the world into despotism. But in Caritas and other Church encyclicals, global authorities are always limited by the principle of subsidiarity, which in John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus is defined as the principle that
a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.
(Excerpt) Read more at amconmag.com ...
Better to get this sort of thing out pre-emptively, before the media fraternity ramp up their chorus of spin.
I wonder how they feel about the other paragraphs?
I just want to know what Robert Gibb’s spin on this is.
Buff00n he is.
Thanks for posting the link, I read it yesterday.
The answer of course is yes he does and this post today is meant to mislead readers.
The pope supports one world government and socialism.
well then, something must have gotten very badly mangled in the translation from German
Looks like you spent a lot of time highlighting keywords from the document. None of your highlights appear to be in direct contrast with conservative thinking. The Catholic Church has always believed in individual achievement and private charity. It has favored capitalism, but instructed the individual to act fairly. If you have a specific problem with the text or a point to make, you should just make it and quote it. Perhaps you just need to be more familiar with Catholicism to understand most of this. I’m here to help, but you might be better off discussing some of this with a priest.
Oh no, not the you’re not Catholic so you don’t understand the Catholic mind defense......again....
A moroon can read this and would understand terms like “redistribution of wealth.”
Get real or go home.
I can’t ask my priest because I don’t have one.
We do have a High Priest in Heaven (Hebrews 8:1, 9:25)...
Nope. Apparently there is a whole mess of morons on this site who don't understand those terms; who don't believe their lying eyes; and who will swallow any old lie Rome decides to dangle before their blinded eyes.
More's the pity.
Uh, that's not what I said Zippy. What I said was "Perhaps you just need to be more familiar with Catholicism to understand most of this." A only a "marroon" could miss the HUGH difference between those two statements.
The point is this: The individual achievement (and the rewards it entails) is central to the Catholic Faith. So is personal charity to the extent that the Catholic Church opposes state welfare for the fact that it eventually denies the individual the opportunity for charitable giving. In fact, the Catholic Church prefers capitalism above all other economic systems, albeit with some form of oversight to protect the little guy. If you're not too lazy, you can look all of this up.
Now, the main reason why some Catholics might have said to you that you need to be Catholic to understand is quite simple. A lot of non-Catholics seem to miss the point that he is addressing the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world. Not just the 6% who live in the US. The majority of Catholics live in developing nations, where labor unions might be the only form of protection against slave labor. Twenty to thiry million Catholics live in Communist China.
Perhaps if you were a Catholic you would be more familiar with the concepts when reading the encyclical. I left it at "if you were familiar with Catholicism," so your outrage is obviously misdirected. In any case, it clear that you haven't read the document yourself, so your outrage is obviously contrived.
Well of course he’s not for the NWO, he’s for the old world order: “justice” and “peace” through subjugation under catholic (i.e. hierarchical / socialist) doctrine.
Certainly it seems inescapable to me that the Pope supports some sort of global government.
And,
1. either he’s ignorant of the global government already in place under the table . . . which would be preposterous that he would be so ignorant
or
2. he’s terminally uninformed . . . also preposterous . . .
or
3. he’s terminally uneducated generally over the last many decades . . . also preposterous
or
4. he’s aware and duplicitous
or
5. he’s aware and terminally deluded that it’s all wonderful as long as the tyrannts follow his outline like good Sunday School boys instead of the satanic tyrants they are and he’s further deluded that there’s more than a fog’s chance in hell that they’d follow his prescription.
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Can you think of any other plausible options?
Too true.
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