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Hate rhetoric doesn't advance abortion debate
NJ Star Ledger ^ | June 19, 2009 | Raymond A. Schroth

Posted on 06/21/2009 8:12:30 AM PDT by presidio9

Last winter, the Boston College security policeman phoned me to warn me that someone had placed a sign on my car in the parking garage that suggested I might be in danger. It called me a bunch of foul names, including "baby killer!"

I have just returned to Jersey City after a year at Boston College writing a book on Rev. Robert F. Drinan, S.J., the B.C. law school dean elected to Congress from Massachusetts in 1970 who campaigned against the Vietnam War and called for the impeachment of President Nixon on the basis of his illegal bombing of Cambodia. Drinan was elected five times, but was forced out of office in 1980 by Pope John Paul II, largely because of his support for legalized abortion.

The anonymous vandal in the Boston garage had no idea whose car it was. He or she seems to have been enraged by the rear bumper sticker, put in place during the presidential campaign, which read: "CATHOLIC DEMOCRATS/Blessed Are the Peacemakers." In his/her warped mind, since I was voting for Barack Obama, I must be the kind of fellow who kills babies.

Somehow this rhetoric has made its way into the abortion fracas. I have to call it a fracas, since it certainly is not a civil discussion nor a dialogue. A letter to the editor in the latest Brooklyn Tablet, the Catholic diocesan newspaper, calls President Obama a "smooth-talking baby killer."

The term has become the verbal equivalent of that four-letter obscenity angry people blurt out when they can't think of anything

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Is it too much to hope that those who oppose abortion, including the leadership of the American Catholic church, could put their heads together and come up with creative, educational strategies to achieve through teaching what we cannot achieve through force -- to convince women and the men who love them that the life they have brought into being can and should be brought into the world?

Where to begin with this comment? The problem that this so-called priest is not addressing is that abortion is the same thing as murder in the eyes of the Catholic Church. We are currently living in a country where a mother can legally murer her child if she doesn't want it. If all mothers were murdering their babies, the first step might be to teach mothers to love their babies, as Father Ray suggests. What we have instead is a small percentage of mothers who don't give a sh-t murdering their children because the law says it's ok. The appropriate Catholic response is to condemn the behavior of all involved (in defense of the innocents), and then worry about immortal souls afterwards.

1 posted on 06/21/2009 8:12:30 AM PDT by presidio9
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Ooops...first danger sign...an admirer of Comrade Drinan,one of the filthiest,most despicable pretend-Catholics to have ever drawn breath.
2 posted on 06/21/2009 8:17:05 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: presidio9
The anonymous vandal in the Boston garage had no idea whose car it was. He or she seems to have been enraged by the rear bumper sticker, put in place during the presidential campaign, which read: "CATHOLIC DEMOCRATS/Blessed Are the Peacemakers." In his/her warped mind, since I was voting for Barack Obama, I must be the kind of fellow who kills babies.

You must be because you are supporting the most pro-death president ever. Pacifism kills.

3 posted on 06/21/2009 8:19:18 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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A letter to the editor in the latest Brooklyn Tablet, the Catholic diocesan newspaper, calls President Obama a "smooth-talking baby killer."

This reader has wisdom.

4 posted on 06/21/2009 8:21:29 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I am not willing to let the left control the argument by controlling the language. What they call “Hate Speech” can honestly be called “Truth Speech”. Those who voted Democrat are accomplices in the murder of millions of innocent babies every year. Like harry Truman said; “I'm not giving them hell. I'm giving them the truth and it feels like hell."
5 posted on 06/21/2009 8:22:24 AM PDT by Natural Law
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I, for one, would be extremely interested to know EXACTLY how that sign indicated Father Raymond might be “in danger.” Somthing tells me that if the threat were at all credible the sanctimonimous prick just might be inclined to be more specific.


6 posted on 06/21/2009 8:27:59 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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Leftie smooth-talkers like this sneering hypocrite were just fine with calling our troops babykillers.


7 posted on 06/21/2009 8:29:42 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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It seems to have worked just fine for the ones who want to destroy the youngest babies.

All they do is spew hatred toward their opponents and they continue to be able to legally kill.


8 posted on 06/21/2009 8:32:59 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: presidio9

I’d say-looking at the responses here to date - you’ve proved the author’s point.

“Support our viewpoint or we’ll kill you !”

Yup.


9 posted on 06/21/2009 8:33:39 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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He is right. You do NOT have to resort to “Baby Killer”. All you have to show is a picture of Jennifer Raper&s daughter that says "She misses her sister. She was aborted. “ The picture of the living daughter says it all.


It proves that fetuses are living human beings. It gives a face to Jennifer's tragically departed daughter.


That is how you win the hearts and mind of Americans. You do not win the hearts and minds by putting threats on their windshields like hoodlums. Shame on whoever did that.

10 posted on 06/21/2009 8:34:13 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank and get your arse out of my car!)
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Raymond A. Schroth is a Jesuit priest and professor of humanities at Saint Peter's College in Jersey City.

Raymond clearly does not accept Yah'shua as the L-rd of his life.

He supports the political party
which endorses and promotes the torture
and murder of 3500 innocent American
each and every day.

Raymond does not obey YHvH when He commanded us:

Deu 5:17 'You shall not murder.
Raymond does not love the L-rd.
Jhn 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Raymond grieves the Ru'ach HaKodesh
Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
11 posted on 06/21/2009 8:34:48 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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“I have to call it a fracas, since it certainly is not a civil discussion nor a dialogue.”

How does one discuss murdering babies in a civil manner?


12 posted on 06/21/2009 8:38:15 AM PDT by Grunthor (Does a crowded elevator smell different to midgets?)
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Psalm 139:21-22 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD, and abhor those who rise up against you? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies.

God's hate speech.

13 posted on 06/21/2009 8:44:22 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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It called me a bunch of foul names, including “baby killer!”

Okay. The question we as readers must now ask is, Are you a baby killer? Do you in any way support the deaths of the most innocent (babies)
You do not have to be in the procedure roomperformiong an abortion tobe a baby killer.We currently have a President who is ababy killer.Not because he performsabortions but because he writes laws votes on laws and passes laws that perpetuate the killing of babies.Now ifyou do not in anyway support that or helpkeep that in existance then being called a baby killer could be considered hateful.But if you do support it then why be ashamed of it? Why not embrace it?


14 posted on 06/21/2009 8:46:51 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Grunthor

Good question.

Also, when has the struggle to make elective abortion illegal... again... turned into a “debate”?


15 posted on 06/21/2009 8:47:32 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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In his/her warped mind, since I was voting for Barack Obama, I must be the kind of fellow who kills babies.

Sorta like the Germans that voted for Hilter might have been the kind of people that killed Jews....
Seems like a logical conclusion to me....


16 posted on 06/21/2009 8:49:18 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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Hate rhetoric doesn’t advance abortion debate

Nothing to debate.
As a human being, you are either okay with killing babies or you are not.
Debate doesn’t come in to play anywhere in that....


17 posted on 06/21/2009 8:52:38 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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This smuck is the type would would complain to the Nazis that there was no toilet facilities on “The Trains.” Yes ash hole lets have a civil discussion about how we can humanely murder babies.


18 posted on 06/21/2009 8:58:19 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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“Hate rhetoric doesn’t advance abortion debate”

Although it is incorrect to call it “hate rhetoric,” this sort of blunt honesty does indeed advance the cause of reducing the number of abortions.

The baby killers are interested only in a debate that holds out the possibilty of you coming to agree with them; IOW, a carefully scripted “debate” that presents only one side of the issue.

They are not interested in a debate that holds out the possibility of them coming to agree with you.


19 posted on 06/21/2009 9:06:49 AM PDT by dsc (A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.)
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To: mrmeangenes

Where are the posts you refer to?


20 posted on 06/21/2009 9:19:03 AM PDT by AliVeritas ( Pray, Pray, Pray)
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