Posted on 06/09/2009 2:17:06 PM PDT by Clint Williams
Draped above a bookcase in his home northeast of Seattle, Jim Ennes displays a bullet-riddled American flag.
On June 8, 1967 — 42 years ago Monday — the flag flew over his Navy spy ship, USS Liberty, as it came under assault from an unlikely antagonist — the state of Israel that unexpectedly turned its weaponry on America at the height of the Six-Day War against Egypt.
In a one-sided battle that lasted for more than an hour, Israeli fighter planes unleashed cannon shots, rockets and napalm. Then, an Israeli torpedo boat scored a direct hit that tore a 39-foot-wide hole in the hull. By the time the fighting was over, the Israeli military had killed 34 U.S. crew members and wounded more than 170.
Ennes has come to anticipate these anniversaries with a mix of weariness and frustration about the questions that still hang over the event.
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(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
Last week, on the eve of the anniversary, came a new offering: "The Attack on the Liberty" by South Carolina investigative reporter James Scott, whose father, John Scott, was also a survivor of the attack and a friend of Ennes'.
What is this blasphemy? You know you can’t criticize Israel for anything here. Most would sell out their own country first.
One day we will learn the truth about the attack on the Liberty and hopefully that day will be soon.
What the hell were they thinking?
There is no new focus on the Liberty.
Its just the fallback justification for racist hatred.
The US military said on many occasions it was friendly fire.
Deal with it.
Lol. Thanks for proving my point.
Navy spy ship, USS Liberty, guess not in friendly waters
This, of course, is yet another reason why Uncle Sam should allow Iran to have nukes. To avenge the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
Did I do a good job?
Oh, geez...
What the heck difference could it possibly make? What about that incident is relevant to the situation as it sits today?
Deal with it.
New revelations in attack on American spy ship
U.S.S. Liberty [NSA declassified more documents on 40th anniversary]
"Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship" by Admiral Thomas Moorer USN (Ret.)
Former Chief Navy Counsel Alleges Cover-Up by LBJ of 1967 Israeli Attack on U.S. Ship
And those were the years when the US was NOT much of a backer of Israel. They had a hands off policy because they did not want to offend the Russians. We (under the Johnson administration) had done some things that could have easily made Israel believe that our ships were a threat at a time of war. While I grieve for all of our fine younf men lost, I am not sure given the position that Israel was in, if I were in charge I might just have made the same call
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The Saudis have killed a lot more Americans on American soil - yet King Hussein flies there for his first official State visit to kiss the backside of their Theocratic Islamist Dictator.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html
The author of this scholarly piece is Dr. Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the United States.
Well, we just discussed this yesterday on another thread, so I won’t repeat what I said there.
I’ll just ask a question: Why is the Seattle Times, a left wing rag, running this story? Because they care about our military, or because they want to stir up hatred for Israel at a time when Obama is planning to abandon them because he is a Muslim lover.
To do that, they need to stir up more antisemitism first.
What, exactly, were they doing? To sum it up?
The USS Stark was hit by two missiles 22 years ago last month. Did you write an article about that anniversary? During the 1992 campaign Al Gore left no doubt that he believed it was intentionally attacked by Iraqi aircraft.
The fact that the Israeli torpedo boats ran right up alongside the Liberty and poured everything they had into to her, even machine gunning the life boats, tells me that the Israeli forces wanted NO survivors who could tell the story.
They were doing something they didn’t want the U.S. to know about.
Israel was trying to sink the Liberty to get rid of the evidence. It happens.
Two pilots for the IAF went to jail for not firing on the Liberty.
Johnson and his administration covered it up or at least tried to.
He wrote the piece years ago when he was an academic and it is amply footnoted to reference specific source material.
Obviously, you've never seen my posting history on the Israel threads where I support them 100%. 40 years ago was different time, when Israeli interests were not necessarily American interests, and during the Six-Day War, they did things that they felt needed to be done to win, including making the deliberate calculation to destroy an American spy-ship which might have revealed their final moves against Syria, a Soviet client-state.
Deal with it!
IMHO, This is NOT happenstance. The stench of Obama's thugs is all over this.
“After nearly 42 years, a Silver Star was awarded to an electronics technician, Terry Halbardier, who braved machine-gun and cannon fire to repair a damaged antenna that restored the ship’s communications. His medal citation — unlike dozens awarded in years past — named Israel as the nation that launched the attack.”
THe difference between other awards and this one is that this one was seized upon by Obama as a way to take a swipe at Israel, hence the mention of Israel which was not done before.
Actually, it has much more to do with the quality of the criticism, than the existence of the criticism that determines whether the critic is an anti-semite racist.
For example its clearly racist for someone to wail and moan over Johnathan Pollard's treason while ignoring Bobby Ray Inman's clear subversion of American policy and international agreements with Israel...to a Jewish analyst.
Sure, you can blame the scantily clad woman for giving you a woody to justify rape...you just can't expect anyone who isn't a muslim to take you seriously.
What do you want the US to do in 2009 about the 1967 attack?
Cui Bono?
So is David Duke.
No doubt at all that antisemites use the Liberty case, especially when trying to assign motivation (false) and create a wedge.. what everyone fails to realize that the real criminal in all this was LBJ.
If next week, Obama orders one of our ships to report Israel’s military activity to Iran and then to disguise itself as a Iranian ship, I doubt many would blame Israel for taking action, nor would they blame the ship.
LBJ was the problem.
Which would have made the Liberty a legitimate military target: so what's your problem with the attack?
Seattle Times? Lib paper. Did Rahm Emanuel himself ask them to write about this, in order to renew antagonisms against Israel—the new Serbia?
Well, this seemed like a good place to post the Presidential Crises list... :-)
Presidential Crises - Hostages and/or Killings of Military and Civilians
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Truman — Killed (31), Berlin Blockade, USSR Military, East Germany
Eisenhower — Hostages (1), Gary Powers U2 Incident, USSR Military, USSR
Kennedy — Hostages (Berlin), Berlin Crisis of 1961, USSR Military, East Germany
Kennedy — Killed (118), Bay of Pigs Invasion, US Military, Cuba
Kennedy — Killed (0), Cuban Missile Crisis, US/USSR,
Johnson — Killed (34), USS Liberty, Israel
Johnson — Hostages (82/1 Killed), USS Pueblo, 11 months, North Korea
Johnson — Killed (0), Gulf of Tonkin Incident, N. Vietnamese Torpedo Boats, North Vietnam
Nixon — Killed (2), US Diplomats, Black September/Arafat, Sudan
Ford — Hostages (40/21 servicemen killed), SS Mayaguez, Khmer Rouge, Cambodia
Ford — Killed (2), Axe Murder Incident (two US Army Soldiers), NK Army, North Korea
Carter — Hostages (52), Tehran Embassy Hostages, 444 days, Iran
Carter — Killed (8), Operation Eagle Claw, C-130, Iran
Reagan — Killed (0/0 foreign; jets shot down), 1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident, US Air Force, Libya
Reagan — Killed (62), KAL Flight 007 Shootdown, USSR Air Force, USSR
Reagan — Killed (19), Operation Urgent Fury, US Military, Grenada
Reagan — Killed (241), Marine barracks bombing, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Hostages (20), Civilian Hostages, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (5), Civilian/Military Killings, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (1), Army Maj. Arthur D. Nicholson Incident, Soviet Military, East Germany
Reagan — Killed (6), Zona Rosa Attack, Central America Revolutionary Workers’ Party, El Salvador
Reagan — Killed (3), Berlin Discotheque Bombing, Libyan Intelligence/Gaddafi, West Germany
Reagan — Killed (0/unknown foreign), Operation Attain Document, US Air Force, Libya
Reagan — Killed (2), Operation El Dorado Canyon, USAF, Libya
Reagan — Killed (290/foreign), Iran Air Flight 655/USS Vincennes, US Military, Persian Gulf/Iran
Reagan — Killed (37), USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31), Iraq Air Force, Iraq
Reagan — Killed (0/2 foreign), 1989 Gulf of Sidra Incident, US Air Force, Libya
Bush — Killed (24), Operation Just Cause, US Military, Panama
Clinton — Killed (90), Waco Siege/Branch Davidians, US Government, USA
Clinton — Killed (6), 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Clinton — Killed (168), Oklahoma City Bombing, Domestic/Foreign Terrorists*, USA/Iraq*
Clinton — Killed (19), Black Hawk Down, Islamic Warlords, Somalia
Clinton — Killed (17), USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67), Al Qaeda, port in Yemen
Clinton — Killed (142), TWA Flight 800, Foreign Terrorism [controversial*], Terrorists
Clinton — Killed (19), Khobar Towers Bombing, Hizballah Al-Hijaz [terrorists], Saudi Arabia
Clinton — Killed (12), 1998 US Embassy Bombings, Al Qaeda/Osama bin Ladin, Tanzania/Kenya
Clinton — Killed (0/35 foreign), Operation Infinite Reach, US Air Force, Afghanistan/Sudan
Bush — Hostages (24), Hainan Island incident (EP-3 Aries), 11 days, China
Bush — Killed (2,998), 9/11 Attack, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Bush — Killed (3), US Diplomatic Security Specialists, PA Terrorists, PA Territory/Gaza
Bush — Killed (19), Riyadh Compound Bombings, Islamic Terrorists, Saudi Arabia
Bush — Killed (1), Khobar Massacre, The Jerusalem Squadron/Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia
Obama — Hostages (1), MV Maersk Alabama Piracy, Somalia Pirates, Somalia
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Truman — Berlin Blockade - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade
Eisenhower — Gary Powers U2 Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-2_Crisis_of_1960
Kennedy — Berlin Crisis of 1961 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Crisis_of_1961
Kennedy — Bay of Pigs Invasion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
Kennedy — Cuban Missile Crisis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
Johnson — USS Liberty Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Johnson — USS Pueblo Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
Johnson — Gulf of Tonkin Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Nixon — US Diplomats Killed (Arafat ordered) - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26856
Ford — SS Mayaguez Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayagüez_incident
Ford — Axe Murder Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_Murder_Incident
Carter — Iranian Hostage Crisis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Carter — Operation Eagle Claw (rescue) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Reagan — 1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)
Reagan — KAL Flight 007 Shootdown - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
Reagan — Operation Urgent Fury - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
Reagan — Marine Barracks bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Reagan — Hostages in Lebanon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair
Reagan — Army Maj. Arthur D. Nicholson Incident - http://www.usmlm.org/home/nicholson/weinnich85.htm
Reagan — Zona Rosa Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Zona_Rosa_attacks
Reagan — Operation El Dorado Canyon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_El_Dorado_Canyon
Reagan — Iran Air Flight 655 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Reagan — USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_(FFG-31)
Reagan — Operation Attain Document - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986)
Reagan — 1989 Gulf of Sidra Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1989)
Bush — Operation Just Cause - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
Clinton — Waco Siege/Branch Davidians - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
Clinton — 1993 World Trade Center Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Clinton — Oklahoma City Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
[ *controversial - http://www.jaynadavis.com/ ]
Clinton — Black Hawk Down - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
Clinton — USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Clinton — TWA Flight 800 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
[ *controversial - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_alternative_theories - http://twa800.com/ ]
Clinton — Khobar Towers Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing
Clinton — 1998 US Embassy Bombings - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings
Clinton — Operation Infinite Reach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach
Bush — Hainan Island incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Bush — 9/11 Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11
Bush — US Diplomatic Security Specialist Murders - http://www.nysun.com/opinion/getting-away-with-murder/68852/
Bush — Riyadh Compound Bombings - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_compound_bombings
Bush — Khobar Massacre - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_May_2004_Al-Khobar_massacres
Obama — MV Maersk Alabama Piracy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Maersk_Alabama
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Please help add more so I can update this. If there is another event that happened within a particular President’s term (hostages taken, military killed in actions regarding the crisis, etc...), give me the info and any pertinent links. Still working on it and adding information...
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Here’s where it all started, and then some FReepers started giving me some more events.. :-)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2226437/posts?page=5#5
AND THEN... it’s turned into this one... LOL...
Well, you stick your nose into the middle of a war, you’re liable to get your nose blown off...
You asked — What the hell were they thinking?
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Ummm..., well, I think the U.S. was thinking of picking up some intelligence on the sly, actually..., and they ended up being shot at... that happens in wars...
You said — The Israelis knew exactly what they were doing.
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And the U.S. knew what they were doing too, which is why nothing has come of it...
And LBJ was the biggest antisemite of them all... if I where conspiracy minded, I would suspect that LBJ was provoking Israel on purpose..
Antisemits are aligning themselves with LBJ’s agenda to turn on Israel.
It is over, it was a tragedy, LBJ is out of office, Israel is still one of our strongest allies.
I don't think those people exist anywhere by in your imagination. Check out all the old threads where the Israelis beat the daylights out of settlers and gave away land they encouraged their citizens to settle in the first place.
You said to another poster — What, exactly, were they doing? To sum it up?
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Well, I don’t know what the other poster will say Israel was doing, but the U.S. knows what it was doing and so..., that’s why nothing came of the shooting up of the USS Liberty...
The U.S. should have gotten the ship out of there. That’s what happens when you get your nose too close to some action...
You have a problem with a country at war with numerous other countries taking out a legitimate military target, because that legitimate military target is American?
I guess you're one of those who insist their little johnny would NEVER do THAT!
It has come out recently through FOIA that LBJ was using it to send Israel's troop movements to Syria. LBJ basically was trying to provoke Israel and turned on her. He was an antisemite liberal nut. A lot of s*** hit the fan, but LBJ was the real criminal in the whole thing.
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