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Mexican Truckers File $6 Billion Claim Against U.S. in Nafta Spat
WSJ ^ | June 2 2009 | JOSE DE CORDOBA

Posted on 06/02/2009 4:38:43 AM PDT by radar101

MEXICO CITY -- A Mexican trade association representing more than 4,500 trucking companies is seeking $6 billion in damages from the U.S. government because of Washington's refusal to allow Mexican trucks to carry cargo over U.S. roads.

The group, Canacar, filed a demand for arbitration under the North American Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. State Department in April, but didn't publicize the move until Monday.

"We want reciprocity," said Pedro Ojeda, a lawyer for Canacar. "The U.S. has notoriously not kept its commitments." Mr. Ojeda said the complaint is the largest such demand made under Nafta, as the 1993 pact is known.

Deborah Mesloh, a spokeswoman for U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, said Monday that, "We take our trade obligations very seriously and this is an issue we've been working on for a couple months." A State Department spokesman said the claim is "being studied."

The arbitration demand is the latest fallout from legislation signed earlier this year by President Barack Obama canceling a pilot program that had allowed Mexican trucks to carry cargo on U.S. roads. In March, the Mexican government retaliated by slapping tariffs on $2.4 billion of U.S. goods.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; corruption; mexico; nafta
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1 posted on 06/02/2009 4:38:44 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

“Free” trade? Do what we tell you or we’ll sue.


2 posted on 06/02/2009 4:40:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: radar101

Mexican death traps on US roads...No thanks.


3 posted on 06/02/2009 4:42:11 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: radar101

BO will pay that, no problem. He’ll swing by on his next “Apologies for America” tour.


4 posted on 06/02/2009 4:45:26 AM PDT by albie
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama
As if anyone cares. Our economy is booming, the numbers show:

NAFTA trade down almost 28 percent in March.

5 posted on 06/02/2009 4:48:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: radar101

Reminds me of this past Sunday morning as I was at a gas station fueling the Home Depot rental truck before returning it to the store, a man whom could hardly speak English approached me to give him some money for some breakfast at the Denny’s next door.

I told him I didn’t have any cash (was using my Mobile-Exxon card for the fuel), and this guy proceeded to lecture me in his butchered English about sharing with the poor. He became quite intimidating as he proceeded with his lecture, and I became quite irritated with the bastard.

This was across the street and down a block from the Home Depot in Riverside where at least a hundred, perhaps more of the Illegals lurk seeking day labor.

Wondering when they will sue the likes of me for not sharing our so-called wealth?


6 posted on 06/02/2009 4:49:19 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
this guy proceeded to lecture me in his butchered English about sharing with the poor.

That's because he's a marxist.
7 posted on 06/02/2009 4:52:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I told him I didn’t have any cash (was using my Mobile-Exxon card for the fuel), and this guy proceeded to lecture me in his butchered English about sharing with the poor.

Let's get some cards made up to hand to these beggars that says, in Spanish, "Tell it to 0bama at comments@whitehouse.gov as I owe you nothing and if you're here illegally, you are hereby officially told to return to your home country and leave the USA within 24 hours."

It won't do any good, but it'll shake the illegal aliens up a bit the first few times it's used.
8 posted on 06/02/2009 4:56:31 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: rockinqsranch

” a man whom could hardly speak English... “

It’s not just the swine flu that’s contagious...


9 posted on 06/02/2009 5:01:05 AM PDT by Humble Servant (See y'all in the Gulag.)
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To: Humble Servant

Why aren’t these mother truckers just using illegals to carry their loads. This would keep goods coming into the country and lower the amount of drugs.


10 posted on 06/02/2009 5:17:08 AM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin st)
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To: radar101
Mexican Truckers File $6 Billion Claim Against U.S. in Nafta Spat

Translation - Mexican truckers want THEIR bailout. Zero will probably give it to them.

11 posted on 06/02/2009 5:42:25 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: radar101; NorwegianViking; Texas resident; GulfBreeze; rellimpank; AH_LiveRight; BGHater; nbhunt; ..

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


12 posted on 06/02/2009 7:40:26 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (ObommaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: 1rudeboy

NAU/SPP flag/s
13 posted on 06/02/2009 7:50:47 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (ObommaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: Dallas59

So far the Mexican trucks have an excellent record, both in on-the-road safety and in results of safety inspections.

Wanna get death traps off the road ? Get rid of illegals and their uninsured junkers !

I think the Mexican truckers have a legitimate complaint. Of course, the Teamsters won’t like it.


14 posted on 06/02/2009 9:33:58 AM PDT by jimt
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To: rockinqsranch
I told him I didn’t have any cash (was using my Mobile-Exxon card for the fuel), and this guy proceeded to lecture me in his butchered English about sharing with the poor. He became quite intimidating as he proceeded with his lecture, and I became quite irritated with the bastard.

Had the same experience with an illegal at a Shell here in Houston.

As I was holding a gas hose and had a lighter in my pocket I didn't find him TOO intimidating.

Needless to say, I won't ever shop again at that Shell that tolerates illegals of their property.

15 posted on 06/02/2009 9:37:13 AM PDT by jimt
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To: radar101
"We want reciprocity," said Pedro Ojeda, a lawyer for Canacar. "The U.S. has notoriously not kept its commitments." Mr. Ojeda said the complaint is the largest such demand made under Nafta, as the 1993 pact is known.

Hey Pedro and your buddies, message to you from those who are free, because we understand froodom is not free...


16 posted on 06/02/2009 10:28:11 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Keep your change obummer, I STILL support Sarah!)
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To: cripplecreek

Wait until the US trucking companies that invested in Mexican trucking companies start their lawsuits, then you will see some big bucks.


17 posted on 06/02/2009 12:11:23 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: 1rudeboy; radar101; SwinneySwitch
“NAFTA trade down almost 28 percent in March.”

But remittances are only down about 19%. Go figure. BTW: Mexico can KMTA.

18 posted on 06/02/2009 12:13:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: Ben Ficklin
On what grounds would they sue?
19 posted on 06/02/2009 12:15:45 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: wolfcreek

LOL apparently they would sue on the grounds that they tried to screw Americans by outsourcing to “Mexican” trucking companies and got bent over the stump of the tree they cut down. LOL


20 posted on 06/02/2009 12:21:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: wolfcreek
Cross border trucking was only half of the equation, cross border investment in the trucking industry was the other half.

Those US investors, as well as far fewer Mexican investors who invested north of the border, have had their investment stranded.

The Mexican govt won their case against the US pursuant to NAFTA Chapter 20 while the investors' claim will be pursuant to Chapter 11. Chapter 11 contains the investor protections against creeping or changing regulations.

Reagan insisted that the investor protections be included.

21 posted on 06/02/2009 12:26:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: cripplecreek

Let me ask you a question. If a truck is domiciled in Mexico, but is owned by a US company, is that a US truck or a Mexican truck?


22 posted on 06/02/2009 12:30:01 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Don’t know don’t care. I just enjoy seeing you free traitors getting bent over a stump.


23 posted on 06/02/2009 12:32:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Thru the years, Mexico has undergone many reforms, including union reforms. Whereas there were only govt unions in Mexico, there are now also private unions, tho the deck is still stacked against the private unions.

In the coming years there will be more reforms opening the door further for private unions and the dems certainly want the teamsters and United Farm Workers to get their shot at representing Mexican workers.

If the investors can globalize, why not the unions?

24 posted on 06/02/2009 12:42:16 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

“NAFTA Chapter 11 is the portion of the North American Free Trade Agreement that allows investors from one NAFTA country to sue the government of another NAFTA country for actions which hurt them or their investments. Its protections include: a promise to pay full, fair and effective compensation when governments expropriate investments made in their territories; as well as a promise by NAFTA governments to provide investors from the other countries “treatment no less favourable” than that which they have given to their own investors in the North American Free Trade Area.”

Wouldn’t US investor be sueing their own country in this case?


25 posted on 06/02/2009 12:43:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Go ask your boy Zero for a bailout and leave Americans alone.


26 posted on 06/02/2009 12:44:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: radar101

Invasion-as-usual. Nothing to see here, move along.


27 posted on 06/02/2009 12:49:42 PM PDT by La Enchiladita ("You ain't seen nuthin' yet!!," B. Hussein Obama, the 20th Hijacker)
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To: Ben Ficklin; cripplecreek; radar101
Not that I think Barry knows what he's doing but, NAFTA haasn’t lived up to it's agreements or promises.

The establishment of NAFTA tribunals (International courts) is an affront to the sovereignty of this country and the others for that matter.

Congress was duped again (or complicit)

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/politics/18COUR.html

28 posted on 06/02/2009 12:58:15 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: wolfcreek
"Wouldn't the US investor be sueing their own country in this case?"

Yes, and that is the rub. The original justification for the investor protections was that when US investors went into Latin America under an Investor-State trade agreement aka Free Trade Agreement, the investor could protect himself against taxes, but he would not be able to protect his investment from taxes masquerading as enviro or labor regulations.

In this sense, Chapter 11 was a shield. But after NAFTA was signed the lawyers converted the shield into a sword and began using it to attack US regulations.

This is what started the democrats' conspiracy theory that the GOP and the Federalist Society were using NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA to roll back the New Deal

29 posted on 06/02/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Guess *comspiracies* work both ways.


30 posted on 06/02/2009 1:03:56 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: wolfcreek

The left wing populists in latin America and the rightwing populists in the US have stopped FTAA so we will never know if the conspiracy theory was true.


31 posted on 06/02/2009 1:08:55 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: wolfcreek
"an affront to the sovereignty of this country"

If our sovereignty is determined by our regulatory law.

Like all democrats, you love regulatory law.

32 posted on 06/02/2009 1:12:34 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

You don’t believe in sovereignty?


33 posted on 06/02/2009 1:15:50 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: wolfcreek
Yes, but I measure sovereignty different than you.

In this case you say our sovereignty is measured on our regulatory law, I say it isn't.

We need to eliminate regulatory law whenever, wherever, and however.

34 posted on 06/02/2009 1:21:13 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: wolfcreek
“NAFTA trade down almost 28 percent in March.”

But remittances are only down about 19%. Go figure.

Trade between Mexico, Canada and the US isn't exactly correlated with remittances from the US to Mexico. Go figure.

35 posted on 06/02/2009 1:22:45 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: cripplecreek
“Free” trade? Do what we tell you or we’ll sue.

Fulfill your agreements or we'll sue.

36 posted on 06/02/2009 1:23:58 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
“We need to eliminate regulatory law whenever, wherever, and however.”

Right and allow companies and individuals to trample environmental and local laws at will? That's the biggest problem with globalization. It doesn't have a soul.

Do you?

37 posted on 06/02/2009 1:29:59 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

KMTA


38 posted on 06/02/2009 1:31:53 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: wolfcreek

Does your wife know how you swing?


39 posted on 06/02/2009 1:34:40 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Dallas59

When American truckers can safely deliver cargoes in Mexico, we should allow Mexican truckers to operate in the US.
Right now, that is not the case.


41 posted on 06/02/2009 1:41:25 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: wolfcreek
"trample environmental law"

This is a good example because the enviros weere instrumental on Mexican trucks.

Their solution was that the US Govt should just pay off everybody who lost money because of the change in regulation.

That sounds good on paper but the damages mount each year. In 2000 the award to Mexico was 2 billion, but now is 2.4 billion.

42 posted on 06/02/2009 1:43:06 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: cripplecreek
Don’t know don’t care. I just enjoy seeing you free traitors getting bent over a stump.

Just as we suspected all along. You don't care about jobs, taxes, or U.S. sovereignty.

43 posted on 06/02/2009 1:50:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Little Ray
When American truckers can safely deliver cargoes in Mexico, we should allow Mexican truckers to operate in the US.

That would make the International Brotherhood of Teamsters the biggest pussies on the face of the planet. Not only are they afraid of delivering boxes to Mexico, but they expect boxes from Mexico to be loaded onto their trucks at the border.

44 posted on 06/02/2009 1:54:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: wolfcreek
And as for the arbitration panel, they said the US can set any regulation they need.

But, the US can't hold the Mexican trucks to a higher standard than they do US trucks or Canadian trucks.

Furthermore, the US can bar any Mexican truck does not meet those standards, but the US cannot deny entry of Mexican trucks based on the theory that all, or a lot, or a few Mexican trucks don't meet the standards.

And to that end, the US Congress added the Murray Shelby amendment to the highway bill in 2001, which authorized and appropriated money to the border states to build inspection stations to inspect each and every Mexican truck.

45 posted on 06/02/2009 1:55:11 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sunspots are down also, or are they up? Perhaps a protectionist will drop by and correlate them to interest rates, or something.


46 posted on 06/02/2009 1:55:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I wonder if he thinks that all illegals work in exporting/importing industries? I wonder if he thinks....


47 posted on 06/02/2009 1:57:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
You ought to love these guys. (they document all the tribunal decisions) IMO, you can't have trade agreements without someone looking out for the common man. eventhough I don't agree with everything they do) http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/CH__11/
48 posted on 06/02/2009 1:59:06 PM PDT by wolfcreek ( The Republican Party shouldn’t open itself like a whorehouse to new voters)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Who was the guy who was arguing that NAFTA was a perversion of Reagan's idea because of all the environmental stipulations? I forget.

I see we are back to the argument that companies trample environmental laws.

49 posted on 06/02/2009 1:59:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: wolfcreek

The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative does well enough documenting everything. We don’t need to go to your commie-lib website.


50 posted on 06/02/2009 2:00:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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