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Border births trip up passport requests
UPI ^ | June 1, 2009

Posted on 06/01/2009 2:04:12 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

LINCOLN , Calif., June 1 (UPI) -- The ACLU says it is seeing a lot of cases like the one involving a Hispanic ex-Marine from California whose citizenship is suddenly being questioned.

Israel Betancourt of Lincoln, Calif., says he was born in Laredo, Texas, in 1977 with the assistance of a midwife, which the American Civil Liberties Union says has become a sticking point for U.S. passport officials seeking to verify an applicant's citizenship.

"In a lot of cases, these are folks who have been in the country and have considered themselves American their entire lives, and then suddenly the government is telling them they have suspicions about whether they are American citizens," ACLU attorney Vanita Gupta told The Sacramento (Calif.) Bee.

Gupta said the midwife issue came into prominence recently as the federal government began requiring passports for airline passengers flying in from Mexico and Canada. The requirements began applying to land and sea travelers Monday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 06/01/2009 2:04:12 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Betancourt case is definitely a mess that need not be. I believe his father is an American citizen to begin with.


2 posted on 06/01/2009 2:07:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He should’a run for President, then proof of citizenship is optional.


3 posted on 06/01/2009 2:12:16 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Tyranny is always whimsical." Mark Steyn 3/9/2009)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We really need to face up to the fact that there is currently no method for really proving where someone was born, and some people — particularly the offspring of illegal immigrants — may really not know themselves. If we want to have a way of proving this, we have to accept that it will require the implementation of a huge biometrics-based federal database, along with a legal requirement that births be entered into the database within 24 hours or even less, and that even with that, it will only be functional for births that occurred after the datatbase was fully operational, and there will still be a few cases where a woman who just gave birth runs across the border, shows up at an emergency room saying she just gave hirth in the US (though with a 24 hour requirement, there would be ample opportunity for investigation of suspicious claims.


4 posted on 06/01/2009 2:19:09 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The ACLU says it is seeing a lot of cases like the one involving a Hispanic ex-Marine from California whose citizenship is suddenly being questioned.

That's former-Marine, there are no honorable ex-Marines.

5 posted on 06/01/2009 2:22:58 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What this misleading story doesn't say is that more than 65 midwives in South Texas have been convicted of providing fraudulent birth certificates, and something like 18,000 people, so far, turned out to have been born in Mexico, not the US, and provided with a fraudulent birth certificate. Those are the ones we know about. This is just one more twist on the anchor baby scam.

· Why Mexican illegals are driving America "cuckoo":

Why doesn't Mexico take care of its own people? Why do they instead encourage their poor to leave Mexico and invade the United States? Nature provides a parallel that is instructive.

Some species of birds thrive not by carefully rearing their own young, but by pawning that task off on adults of other species. The European Cuckoo, whose distinctive call is immortalized in the sound of the "cuckoo clock," is the bird in which this habit has been most thoroughly studied. Female European Cuckoos lay their eggs only in the nests of other species of birds. A cuckoo egg usually closely mimics the eggs of the host (one of whose eggs is often removed by the cuckoo).

The host may recognize the intruding egg and abandon the nest, or it may incubate and hatch the cuckoo egg. Shortly after hatching, the young European Cuckoo, using a scoop-like depression on its back, instinctively shoves over the edge of the nest any solid object that it contacts. With the disappearance of their eggs and rightful young, the foster parents are free to devote all of their care to the young cuckoo. Frequently this is an awesome task, since the cuckoo chick often grows much larger than the host adults long before it can care for itself. One of the tragicomic scenes in nature is a pair of small foster parents working like Sisyphus to keep up with the voracious appetite of an outsized young cuckoo.

6 posted on 06/01/2009 2:23:42 PM PDT by La Lydia (.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hardly anyone is more rabid on the border issue than me. If this guy served honorably as a Marine, especially if he served in a war zone, swear him in already.

End of story.


7 posted on 06/01/2009 2:31:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Understand your view and generally agree. However, I suspect the author (with the careful assistance of the ACLU) selected this young man because of his military service to advance their larger agenda of amnesty.


8 posted on 06/01/2009 2:36:35 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: BulletBobCo

Roger that BulletBob!

Semper Fi’
JarheadFromFlorida


9 posted on 06/01/2009 2:39:59 PM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines, 2ndMarDiv - 1971 - 1974)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"In a lot of cases, these are folks who have been in the country and have considered themselves American their entire lives, and then suddenly the government is telling them they have suspicions about whether they are American citizens,"

Hey there..check out 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue while you're out there.

10 posted on 06/01/2009 2:40:58 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So he made it 32 years without having to worry about where he was born.

...only in America.


11 posted on 06/01/2009 2:42:50 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If so I think they screwed up. This guy will have justification the others won’t. The contrast will be real, and the others much harder to ram through IMO.

I know the open borders people try anything and everything to cloud the issue, so I think your premise is reasoned.


12 posted on 06/01/2009 2:46:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“swear him in already”

If he’s a natural born American citizen (which he is through his father, regardless of where he was born) and has served his country, then making him take the naturalization oath is an insult. With his past, it is up to the US government to prove he is not an American.


13 posted on 06/01/2009 3:39:46 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

No, he is NOT a natural born Citizen. To qualify for that both your parents must be citizens AND you must have been born in the U.S.A.

However, since his dad was a Yank he can claim citizenship.


14 posted on 06/01/2009 3:54:31 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

ONLY if his father actually lived in the USA continuously for 8 years (military service counts as part of the 8)


15 posted on 06/01/2009 3:57:35 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

For goodness sakes if this guy served in the Marines I have no problem he being a US Citizen, however it’s the hundreds of others that come here just for citizenship, and don’t pay taxes with which I do have a problem in this aspect!..


16 posted on 06/01/2009 5:48:31 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

That’s a valid comment. I’m still a little fuzzy on the foreign soil thing. Unless you’re on U.S. embassy grounds or some such, I don’t think you’re still a citizen. I am open to discussion on the matter.


17 posted on 06/01/2009 6:37:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama is mentally a child of ten. Just remember that when he makes statements and issues policy.)
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18 posted on 06/02/2009 9:18:36 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: GovernmentShrinker

An excellent reason not to give citizenship to children whose parents are not legally in the country, regardless of where they are born.


19 posted on 06/02/2009 9:23:29 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: La Lydia

“Why doesn’t Mexico take care of its own people? Why do they instead encourage their poor to leave Mexico and invade the United States?”

Because they are mexicans and not Spanish!


20 posted on 06/02/2009 9:40:23 AM PDT by dalereed
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