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Goodlatte Supports Birth Certificate Requirement Bill
The Daily News Record ^ | May 19, 2009 | Jeff Mellott

Posted on 05/19/2009 5:05:05 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

U.S. Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Roanoke, has signed on as a co-sponsor of a bill that would require presidential candidates to provide proof of their birthplace and, hence, satisfy a constitutional requirement to be able to run for the office.

Last year, questions came up about Republican candidate U.S. Sen. John McCain's eligibility under the Constitution to run for president because of his birth at a Naval air station in the former U.S. Canal Zone in Panama. McCain's parents were both American citizens.

The validity of President Obama's birth certificate also has been challenged in court.

The state of Hawaii provided a copy of Obama's birth certificate but refused to release the original because of privacy reasons, according to news reports.

Goodlatte's co-sponsorship of the proposed legislation indicates his strong support for the bill introduced by Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla.

(Excerpt) Read more at rocktownweekly.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: akaobama; birthcertificate; certificate; constitution; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama; president; qualifications; soetoro
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McCain's eligibility must be established before he becomes the Republican's nominee in 2012. I'm sure Obama will not have a problem with Posey's bill.
1 posted on 05/19/2009 5:05:07 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
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"The state of Hawaii provided a copy of Obama's birth certificate but refused to release the original because of privacy reasons, according to news reports.

Um.. no, it didnt.

The OBAMA campaign released what appears to be a forged document.

2 posted on 05/19/2009 5:07:03 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: RaceBannon

HAWAII NEVER RELEASED ANY BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!


4 posted on 05/19/2009 5:07:46 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

You’re kidding, right.


5 posted on 05/19/2009 5:08:48 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: SvenMagnussen

It will be interesting to see O’s response ... how can he even have a response, for or against it? Interesting problem for him.


6 posted on 05/19/2009 5:09:52 AM PDT by DHC-2 (Flag being flown: Title of Liberty (Reason at http://www.jdlinn.com/liberty))
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To: Mr. K

correct- Hawaii released only a statementthat the vault copy was on file and zerO could request it or not

the only forged document ever released was done on an obama supporter web site


7 posted on 05/19/2009 5:14:27 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: wolfcreek

Some good people have misinterpreted my posts and inferred I have a problem with people of advanced age, i.e. ageism.

I can assure everyone that some of my best friends are over the age of 70. I am not an ageist.


8 posted on 05/19/2009 5:17:07 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Clever tagline can only be seen on the other internet.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
I was more disturbed by the fact you're the ONLY person I know of that would even vaguely suggest McQueeg would be a potential nominee in 2012.
9 posted on 05/19/2009 5:20:11 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: SvenMagnussen

Didn’t McCain get a “pass” from Congress that “O” actually voted on? McCain was born of two American citizen parents on foreign soil. The bill was to make an exception to the “natural born” definition for him. Nobody thought to even look at “O”s situation at the time.

Correct me if I’m wrong please.


10 posted on 05/19/2009 5:37:23 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: SvenMagnussen

Why not add background checks and drug and alcohol tests to go with it!


11 posted on 05/19/2009 5:42:41 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: SvenMagnussen
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in in her village in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in her town but rather that he is a "son of this village". If taken alone, she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.
12 posted on 05/19/2009 5:58:41 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SvenMagnussen

HR 1503. Only two sponsors for it. These two should be lauded for their efforts.


13 posted on 05/19/2009 5:58:45 AM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: SvenMagnussen
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. dJoe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.


14 posted on 05/19/2009 5:59:23 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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The state of Hawaii provided a copy of Obama's birth certificate but refused to release the original because of privacy reasons, according to news reports.

No. Obama released a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to prove that he was an American citizen. The COLB was later proven to be a forgery and Hawaii acknowledged that, in the 60s, ANYONE could get a COLB if they were living and requested one. The COLB was different from a Certificate of Birth (COB) which the state provided to babies actually born in Hawaii.

To date, Obama has failed to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate and EVERY challenge to his eligibility is met by Obama with an army of lawyers. At last count, Obama had spent nearly $1M in legal fees fighting the challenges to see a certified vault copy of his birth certificate. In addition, he has requested that all his records in Hawaii be sealed as well as those in Kenya.

So, this issue is far from resolved and the author of this article should have checked his facts more closely before spreading this lie.

On a tangent, I still find it curious that the icons of conservative talk radio (Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, Beck, etc.) have remained silent on this issue, preferring to default to Obama's claims of citizenship. If the conservative talking heads know something more than we have seen here, I would love for them to reveal it. I still think that the Obama eligibility issue needs to be conclusively resolved one way or the other.

15 posted on 05/19/2009 6:14:56 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Nice to see at least two of our representatives take seriously their “oath or affirmation to support the Constitution”.


16 posted on 05/19/2009 6:31:54 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: silverleaf

And THAT was a counterfeit Certificate Of Live Birth, not a birth certificate.


17 posted on 05/19/2009 7:04:36 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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18 posted on 05/19/2009 3:24:01 PM PDT by Gritty (The (Muslim) call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset - Barack Hussein Obama)
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What constitutes “provide proof of their birthplace”? It needs to be an original certified copy of a long form vault birth certificate which can be corroborated with hospital records.


19 posted on 05/20/2009 11:38:52 PM PDT by FTJM
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Rcved this email from Phil at http://www.therightsideoflife.com/ RE: The Eligibility issue. I recently had Dr. Ron Polarik post quite a revealing question that has been hiding in plain sight with respect to the President's alleged certification of live birth: Where is the record that the certification was ever requested? Who actually made the request? Regarding the certification, if there is such a record in existence, that would certainly go a long way to lend credence to that piece of paper. On the flip side, if no such record exists, then one must reasonably ask, "What is this piece of paper? Who created it, and for what purpose?" Not only this, but I received the following email this evening regarding a "Media Blitz" on the eligibility issue: "Well, it's official: The media blitz is working. After going through countless forum responses, e-mails and a little inside info from the biz, we can say for a fact that the Media Blitz is working. Tiny cracks are developing all over the place on this issue. When only 10 days ago the subject of Obama's citizenship status was tinfoil hat fringe fodder, people are starting to listen seriously - and libs are backing away from their mocking tone and going quiet in an obvious hope/attempt that the issue will simply go away - under the right circumstances. But there's an all-important key to this message. As anticipated several days ago, analysis makes the necessary reality clear: the focus needs to be 100% on the fact that Obama's lawyers' responses to law suits - which are public record, a very important aspect - is to fight the suits demanding his long form birth certificate and attempt to keep his long form birth certificate from becoming public. Our "market analysis", if you will, is that that is the key point in this issue to arousing public interest and demands. Our analysis shows that there is no way around this debate point. We believed it in predicted theory, now we know it as proven fact. By analyzing a ton of forum responses to our call to arms, e-mail and discussing it with "people in the know" (we'll leave it at that, for now), that is the point that can break this wide open into the sunlight if anything can. Forum posts alone show a 100% consistent pattern, and even 80% is something to jump for joy about in any analysis: when the message stays on the issue of his lawyers' responses being public record and they not saying "here it is" but the unthinkable "Our client does not want his birth certificate disclosed",forum participants on the right stop assuming the issue is a crazy theory and say "there's something to all this" and more importantly, the left wing mocking ceases and only silence comes from that camp. That's the key. That's the total battle. As simple as it sounds, that's it. Period. That's how we fight this and make the argument to the media. For some forum board members this will be unwelcome news because they have their own passionate perspectives such as a British Father, a Kenyan grandmother, etc etc etc. Those are all good points. They're great and will be very effective once the story breaks through the media. But for now it's only a point of confusion that *keeps* the message from breaking through the media. So we're asking all of you - everyone - to bombard the media with that single message: "Obama's lawyers are fighting to keep his birth certificate from being seen by the American people. We know this because their responses to lawsuits to show the birth certificate are public record and they are refusing to show it. Why?" We can now say categorically that that's the message that needs to be repeated 100,000 times. Do that, and this story breaks open like a rotten egg. Please. For the sake of the country. Trust us. Do it now." I, too, am taking up "the call," as it were, to repeat the fact that the Defense in these cases has always moved to keep any petitioner from being able to reasonably question this President. Best, Phil WHAT IS HE HIDING AND WHY? More data: http://www.reagan.com/forum/view_thread.cfm?postid=1101&forum=38&category=25
20 posted on 05/20/2009 11:52:05 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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