Posted on 05/11/2009 2:28:38 PM PDT by An Old Man
Many comparisons have been made between todays financial and economic crisis and the Great Depression, none more than the specter of deflation. Well, contrary to what happened during the Great Depression and contrary to the deflationary forecasts of government leaders, central bankers and economists, deflation, while always possible, is, in this mans opinion, highly unlikely. Whys that? Because the monetary and political framework of today is nothing like that of the early 1930s. In fact, its nothing like anything seen, ever. Quite simply, todays monetary and political framework is built for inflation, as much inflation as the government, the Federal Reserve and their banking partners want. And inflation, and a whole lot of it, is exactly what we are about to get.
Inflation and Deflation Defined
Lets begin with some definitions to help us through this discussion. Today, when most people talk inflation, they mean generally rising prices, and when they talk deflation, they mean generally falling prices. This leads to endless consternation because it confuses cause and effect. For the purposes of this essay, inflation will be defined as it was in yesteryears, as an increase in money and money substitutes, which, holding all other things constant, brings about higher prices. The former we will call inflation, the latter we will call price inflation. Deflation will be defined as a decrease in the supply of money and money substitutes, which, holding all other things constant, brings about lower prices. The former we will call deflation, the latter price deflation. Why are these distinctions important? Because they focus attention on the driving force behind price inflation and price deflation; that being, the Federal Reserve and the fractional reserve banking system.
Todays Monetary and Political Framework, Truly Different this Time
Now, what is so different about todays monetary and political framework versus that which existed on the eve of the Great Depression? Simply put, all the checks on inflation, all the deflationary holes in the system that brought on the deflation of the 1930s have been removed. In so doing, the government, the Federal Reserve and their banking partners have given themselves all the tools necessary to create as much inflation as they like. What we have today is a fiat based monetary system at the discretion of politicians and bankers bent on printing and spending our way to supposed prosperity (not to mention helping a few campaign reelections and banking interests along the way). That is not what we had on the eve of the Great Depression, not even close.
Lets take a closer look:
Lets recap. A run on the banking system or the Federal Reserve, what gave us the deflation of the 1930s, is no more. The Federal Reserve and the fractional reserve banking system have virtually no limitations on their ability to inflate. The transmission mechanism through which money can enter the economy isnt limited to just the banking system anymore and its ability or desire to pyramid loans on top of reserves. Not by a long shot. The Federal Reserve can inject money directly into the economy, bypassing the banking system altogether. And then there is the federal government as the spender of last resort, perhaps at this juncture, the most important inflation outlet in the new inflation toolset. And to top it all off, we have a clueless Ben Bernanke at the inflation levers, as the world cheers him on. Like I said, todays monetary and political framework - its nothing like anything seen, ever.
Well when Cheetos go for $27 a box the media will say “That’s not so bad” .....
It may be just an academic discussion. The 1930’s depression is defined by jobs and that is the similarity to today. If private industry does not create jobs, the government will. Elections are votes of confidence based on one’s personal economy and not statistical aggregates. Inflation is a personal view of the cost of living.
Would a sub-4,000 Dow make you change your mind?
“I ask you, whens the last time you saw a bank run? Thats right, the Great Depression. Today, the banking system can inflate without fear of a bank run.”
Actually, they happen all the time. They just occur digitally. And because there aren’t “masses at the front door” they can hit suddenly and with little warning.
But aside from literal bank runs, the digital age has enabled a different type of run: a run on the markets.
As we have since learned, on Sept. 17, 2008, there was a run on the money markets to the tune of app. $500 Billion. This caused the shortage of commercial paper that led to the “economic crisis.” It was, in short and IMHO, the mother of all October surprises designed to ensure a Marxist occupied the White House for the next four years.
‘Well when Cheetos go for $27 a box the media will say Thats not so bad, at least Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is under control*”’
There, fixed it for you.
*Not that it was a problem in the first place.
You said — In short this isn’t our Grandfathers depression! Damn and I had a corner all picked out to sell apples on!
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I don’t know about that. I just got a notice from my retirement fund that they said was required by Federal law because they lost 30% of its value last year... oooops...
Sounds like some deflation there, to me... :-)
Isn’t there to much ‘hot air’ coming out of Washington for deflation to happen? ;-)
Sigh.
I’m no economic genius...so I need this quesiton answered.
We’re thinking of buying a second piece of property...intend to pay cash. Prices are pretty low right now, especially on foreclosed property.
If inflation happens, will the prices of houses fall more? In other words is there a chance of getting a better deal if we wait. I’ve noticed a slight uptick in the prices lately, and don’t know what’s driving that, other than maybe more people like us thinking the market is too good to pass up.
I know inflation means rise in interest rate and the cost of goods, but what about housing? It seems with a glut of foreclosures it could drive down the price of h ouses even more (am I making the right assumption?)
It is safe to say that this is uncharted territory.
The point is that we have been in a bear rally that is drawing to a close. We have a whole lot further to drop and anybody that re-entered the market on the long side is going to lose a lot of money - in my opinion.
The digital age also makes it possible to have a run on a bank without anyone standing in a line.
Press a few buttons, move the mouse to and fro and lo! The cash in your account at a bank is transferred to another bank.
Living in Michigan I got burned out on apples. When I lived in Florida I grew tired of oranges.
Try peaches, I love them!
If there’s inflation and the long term interest rates rise, I would expect the prices of houses to remain stagnant or adjusted for that inflation, even to fall more.
The same people who can borrow 200K today at 5%, will not be able to borrow that much when it costs them 10%.
Before attempting to answer, we need to define some terms.
Lets begin with some definitions to help us through this discussion. Today, when most people talk inflation, they mean generally rising prices, and when they talk deflation, they mean generally falling prices.
This leads to endless consternation because it confuses cause and effect. For the purposes of this essay,
inflation will be defined as it was in yesteryear, as an increase in money and money substitutes, which, holding all other things constant, brings about higher prices. The former we will call inflation, the latter we will call price inflation.
Deflation will be defined as a decrease in the supply of money and money substitutes, which, holding all other things constant, brings about lower prices. The former we will call deflation, the latter price deflation.
Why are these distinctions important? Because they focus attention on the driving force behind price inflation and price deflation; that being, the Federal Reserve and the fractional reserve banking system.
If inflation happens, will the prices of houses fall more?
The price of housing did not fall due to inflation. It fell because the money supply contracted. Think a shortage of credit.
In other words is there a chance of getting a better deal if we wait. Ive noticed a slight uptick in the prices lately, and dont know whats driving that, other than maybe more people like us thinking the market is too good to pass up.
P.T. Barnum comes to mind about now.
I know inflation means rise in interest rate and the cost of goods, but what about housing?
High interest rates and high cost of goods are an inverse reflection of the value of your money. The higher the cost, the less your money is worth. The lower the price, the more your money is worth.
In the end, if we do get a good dose of inflation then now is the time to buy. If we get a good dose of deflation, the you would be better off waiting. The big question everyone is asking has to do with which is the most probable outcome.
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I think this cute little bear market rally is about to go south in a nasty way, and really burn a lot of folks, just as they were thinking “the worst is over”.
I pretty much agree with the author’s conclusion — that we are headed for high inflation.
What he didn’t discuss is, for those of us who are not debtors but savers, what is the best investment to put one’s savings in? Gold? Stocks? Obviously not cash.
Stocks are extremely risky right now, since we are in a long term bear market (lately a bear market rally, which I think is about to drop off a cliff). Gold can’t seem to get any traction, though I feel the longer term prospects are certainly good. Plus, I think the goobermint will do everything it can to keep gold from rising too high.
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