Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

ICR ^ | May 7, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

Brian Thomas earned his Master of Science in Biotechnology from Stephen F. Austin State University, TX, in December of 1999. He taught Principles of Biology I and II, and General Chemistry I at Navarro College in Waxahachie, TX from 2003-2005. He also taught Undergraduate Biology, Chemistry, Microbiology and Anatomy Lab at Dallas Baptist University from 2005-2008. Here is his thesis paper:

http://devo.sfasu.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=U2Y6729B43491.129567&profile=sfa&source=~!marquis&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!846125~!0&ri=1&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=preparation+of+ligands&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=1#focus

[Hot Tabasco]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Send it here to Michigan, we're currently taking Canada's trash, might as well accept Saturn's too..........

[GodGunsGuts]

PS I think his writing is awesome, as good or better than the layman’s articles I read in Discover, New Scientist, PhysOrg, etc.

[Caramelgal]

Your links prove nothing except your own ignorance. Yes, creation cosmologists flirted with the idea of light speed decay, but abandoned it long ago. But what your source fails to mention is that the Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. And as for your garvitational time dilation link, it asks us to accept the Evo-argument on authority. You’re really batting a thousand there, Caramelgal...LOL!

Excuse me but it was your posts #24 and #34 both contained the following:

As creation cosmologists have been pointing out for years now, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. See the following for a good layman’s overview:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

The first link I provided was a refutation of those false assumptions. Sorry you didn’t like them.

[GodGunsGuts]

I think what I said went over your head. Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. Do you understand what I mean by this. Would you like me to explain it to you?

And again, your source supposedly debunking the gravitational time dilation in various creationist cosmologies relies on authority, not science. Surely you can do better than that?

[MrB]

Just like the opposing conclusions that conservatives vs liberals reach on every topic,

when you start from an invalid premise (ie, a lie),

you’ll always come to an errant conclusion.

“man is basically good” gets you liberalism, ie, error.
“Man is a fallen sinner” gets you the correct conclusions.

Both sets of conclusions are logically arrived at, but from different starting assumptions.

[MrB]

The Truth is there...
we’re just curious about the “how”.

[dmz]

I don’t see any real interest in the how with this article when it clearly states: “The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.”

How was it done? by the direct action of the Creator.

[Caramelgal]

Brian Thomas earned his Master of Science in Biotechnology from Stephen F. Austin State University, TX, in December of 1999. He taught Principles of Biology I and II, and General Chemistry I at Navarro College in Waxahachie, TX from 2003-2005. He also taught Undergraduate Biology, Chemistry, Microbiology and Anatomy Lab at Dallas Baptist University from 2005-2008. Here is his thesis paper:

Sorry GGG but your link doesn’t work.

FYI - Stephen F. Austin State University is primarily a teacher’s and agricultural college and not exactly on the forefront of cutting edge scientific research. It is also ranked as a Tier 4 school, so color me very unimpressed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Austin_State_University

So he graduated with his MS in 1999 but didn’t get a teaching job until 2003? No recorded of what he did in between?

And got a teaching job at Navarro College? A small two year Tier 4 school? But hey,“ Navarro College was recently named “The Fastest-Growing Public Two-Year College in the Nation” by Community College Week.”

http://www.navarrocollege.edu/about.php?id=12&bizgroup=About%20NC

Dallas Baptist University?

“Dallas Baptist University (DBU), formerly known as Dallas Baptist College, is a Christian liberal arts university located in Dallas, Texas…. The university is known for its commitment to a Christ-centered education, focusing on integrating Biblical faith and learning.”

Thank you very much for posting Brian Thomas’s esteemed credentials. :),

[Ole Okie]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Yeah, there's probably a punch list a mile long waiting for the contractor.

[Caramelgal]

Would you like me to explain it to you?

Yea Ricky – in your own words - ‘splain it to me. ;),

And again, your source supposedly debunking the gravitational time dilation in various creationist cosmologies relies on authority, not science. Surely you can do better than that?

You are the one who relies on authority, that being your interpretation of a several thousand year old religious/spiritual text and the rambling writings of some science teacher with a degree from a 4th tier teacher’s college whose only professional record consists of teaching at a community college and a religious school for a couple of years after graduation before taking a job as a “Science Writer” for various creationist websites.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Yeah, there’s probably a punch list a mile long waiting for the contractor.

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I tend to lean toward the Contractor having a divine plan for self-cleaning rings.

[stormer]

Link doesn’t seem to work for me. I took a look at the info they’ve provided for the programs, and it appears one can get a Masters with a minimum of 30 credit hours with no thesis required; not exactly what I would call academically rigorous. At my own institution, this would fall under the realm of a Certificate Program.

[GodGunsGuts]

Tell me, Caramelgal. Since you seem to be so hung-up on credentials and schools, what scientific credentials do you have to pass judgement on Brian Thomas’s knowledge of science?

Also, not only is Brian Thomas qualified to be a scientist, and professor, he is more than qualified to be a science writer. According to the Council for the Advancement of Science writing:

“Successful science writers have come from the ranks of both science and of journalism majors in college, with each gaining the complementary knowledge and skills necessary for a successful career. For example, science majors must learn the reporting and writing skills necessary to pursue a story, and journalism majors must understand scientific concepts and terms and the scientific method.”

So obviously Brian Thomas is qualified to write about science. And not only that, he’s a fine writer who is able to take complex science topics and boil them down so that even people like you can understand them.

[GodGunsGuts]

==Yea Ricky – in your own words - ‘splain it to me. ;),

Sorry, I don’t take orders from Temple of Darwin fanatics. Here’s a link...if it’s over your head, you might consider emailing Brian Thomas for help:

http://creation.com/distant-starlight-and-dino-and-human-fossils

[humblegunner]

Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

Not.

[WondrousCreation]

Mercury’s Magnetic Field is Young! (Yet another creationist prediction confirmed by the evidence)

by D. Russell Humphreys

http://creation.com/mercury-s-magnetic-field-is-young

I'm glad you brought this up, GGG, because Humphrey's analysis is an awesome example of cutting-edge creation science research that I just absolutely love, so I'll spell it out for everyone who might not be familiar.

Unlike convoluted evo attempts to fit data with higher-order equations and so-called "phenomenological degrees of freedom" (i.e. "we don't know what we're talking about so we'll guess"), Humphrey's uses an Occam's Razor-based approach (the very principle of science) and bases his data on a simple, strictly linear fit against a semilog scale, that is, exponential decay, as shown below.

If his white-hole cosmology is correct, it means that the magnetic field of Mercury, immediately after the universe expanded from a geocentric shell of water approximately 6000 years ago, was at a value he previously calculated was at a value of approximately 10^23 A-m^2, as outlined in his original 1984 work, as shown below:

When Humphey's originally did this calculation and made his curve, he only had current data from the 1975 Mariner probe data; but he made the prediction that the magnetic field of Mercury should keep decaying at the same rate. In 2008, the Messenger probe released another measurement of the field. Both probe measurements are on the lower right of the above plot. Now, if we zoom in on the lower right:

We now see that the Messenger data indeed measures a smaller field that perfectly fits Humphreys' prediction (within the statistical error). This kind of agreement would be impossible if there was no validity to Humphreys' white hole cosmology model.

My FRiends, this is creation science in action, making the kind of quantitative predictions that evo scientists fail at time and time again. How anyone can continue to mock the efforts of creation science and stick to evo science when faced with evidence like this is beyond me - it goes to show that there must be an agenda propping up the the evo efforts.

The agreement in data and theory offered by Creation is fantastic - our God is an awesome God!

[GodGunsGuts]

==Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

Not not.

[GodGunsGuts]

How were you able to blow up the charts and graphs that much and have them come out so clear!

[DoctorMichael]

Wow! These guys really crank out the crap don't they.

Demented delusional Creationist Placemarker.