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Difference Between Iranians And Arabs
Thomas Keyes ^ | 2/7/05 | Thomas Keyes

Posted on 05/02/2009 1:45:10 PM PDT by Cyrus the Great

Many Americans seem to entertain the illusion that Iranians are Arabs. This may be due to the fact that many people in both communities practise Islam, which I'll mention below. Another coincidence that may have contributed to this confusion is the apparent similarity of the names Iran and Iraq. It is true that the Persian language and the Arabic share the same alphabet, namely the Arabic alphabet, which was imposed upon the Iranians centuries ago. But originally Persian had its own alphabet. Anyway, in Arabic script the names of the countries are entirely different, 'Iraq' beginning with the letter 'ain' and 'Iran' beginning with the letter 'alif'. The words 'Iranian' and 'Persian' are virtually synonymous, the former being the preferred term nowadays.

The Arabic word 'Iraq' means 'Veins' and, apparently, refers to the Euphrates and the Tigris Rivers.

But the clincher is that the word 'Iran' is cognate with the English word 'Aryan', as the Iranians are Aryan, that is, Indo-European, while the Arabs, as is well known, are Semitic, so ethnologically there's a definite disjunction. The Indo-European languages, which probably coincide in fair measure with ethnicity, are divided into Centum and Satem groups. Centum languages further divide into Germanic, Italic, Celtic and Greek, while Satem languages divide into Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian, Albanian and Armenian. Thus we find among Indo-European languages such widely divergent specimens as English, German, Spanish, French, Greek, Russian, Persian (Farsi), Hindi and many others. There are a great number of Arabic loan words in Persian, just as there are a great number of Latin loan words in English, but no one classifies English as an Italic language, nor should anyone classify Persian as a Semitic language. There are Persian loan words in Arabic too, but etymological dictionaries of the Arabic language are scarce, if they exist at all, and one is often left guessing which words might be from Persian.

Semitic languages are a subgroup of Afro-Asiatic languages. Only two strictly Semitic languages survive--Arabic and Hebrew. Extinct Semitic languages include Assyrian, Phoenician, Aramaic and others. Among languages in other subgroups of the Afro-Asiatic languages are Amharic, Tigrinya and Hausa of Ethiopia, Chad and Nigeria.

This ethno-linguistic disjunction is not merely an academic hypothesis. I have met many, many Arabs and Iranians, and there is a definite Arab look and a definite Iranian look. It's not infallible, of course, but I think I could probably tell them apart 75% of the time.

But even more conclusive is the historical aspect. Now we know that all ethnic groups must have sprung from primitive human beings, so likely they're all of great antiquity. But when we speak of 'history', we generally mean written records. And here we see that Persians appear on the scene much in advance of Arabs.

Generally, Persian history is said to have begun with King Cyrus the Great, who unified Persia and conquered vast tracts of land. He is also famous for liberating the Jews from captivity in Babylon around 538 BC, as is amply recorded in the Bible, in the Books of Isaiah, Daniel and Ezra. The next four Persian kings were Cambyses, Darius, Xerxes and Artaxerxes, all in the Bible. These names are all in the Greco-English spellings. Xerxes, whose name is Khashayarsha in Persian, Achashverosh in Hebrew and Ahasuerus in the English Bible, is vividly portrayed in the Book of Esther as the rescuer of the Jews from the persecutions of Haman, which is celebrated to this day by Jews as Purim, the Feast of Lots. All of these kings are also famous for their exploits in the Middle East, Anatolia, Greece and Egypt. Much later, another Persian king, Shapur I, defeated the Roman emperor, Valerian. And their have been many, many others.

In antiquity, Persia had various religious, such as Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Mazdaism and Manichaeism, all to be largely supplanted by Islam. A more recent Iranian religion is the Baha'i faith.

As far as I know, the Arabs enter history around 305 AD, with the Nabataean Inscriptions, but these are scant. Their real entrance into history was the appearance of Mohammed (570-632 AD) Arabs conquered Persia in the seventh century, spreading Islam. Subsequently, in the 10th and 11th century, Turks took over the leadership of Islam, so Islamic history is not strictly the same thing as Arabic history. In the coming centuries Islam would extend its sway all the way from China and Indonesia to Spain. But the Ottoman Empire, once the world's greatest power, was a Turkish, rather than Arabic or Persian, Islamic Sultanate.

So Iranians are definitely not Arabs.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: arab; arabs; culture; ethnicity; iran; iranian; persia; persian
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1 posted on 05/02/2009 1:45:10 PM PDT by Cyrus the Great
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To: Cyrus the Great

I am more pedantic than most, but I could only get halfway through this without, well, deciding that I don’t care enough to finish!


2 posted on 05/02/2009 1:49:57 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Cyrus the Great

Useful info BTTT.


3 posted on 05/02/2009 1:50:47 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Cyrus the Great

Different towels.


4 posted on 05/02/2009 1:52:00 PM PDT by stockpirate (The NAZI's called themselves - "The Children of the New Age of World Order")
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To: Cyrus the Great

Thank you for posting...Americans are so clueless about Middle East ethnicities and just assume they're all "Arabs." No, there are Persians, Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Circassians, Azerbaijanis, Baluchis, Copts, Assyrians, Phoenecians, Berbers, Chaldeans, and on and on. Even some on FR make this mistake. No, Iranians, Pakistanis, and Afghans are NOT Arabs. They're Indo-Europeans like you and me.

The Arabic word 'Iraq' means 'Veins'

I've heard tons of different theories on the etymology of the word 'Iraq.' Some say it comes from Uruk, some say it comes from the Persian word eraq, meaning lowlands, some say it means "mudbank" after the marshes in the south, and some say it comes from the Turkish word irak meaning "far away." I don't know if this is related, but the Arabic word 'araqa (meaning "sweat") comes from the same root as Iraq; 'ayn-ra-qaaf.
5 posted on 05/02/2009 1:59:52 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: Cyrus the Great

Interesting cultural overview. Thanks for posting!

I should point out, though, that the original name for Iran and its people is actually Pahlavi. The name has come to the West as Farsi, or in the hellenic form as Persia.


6 posted on 05/02/2009 2:02:19 PM PDT by tanuki (The only color of a leader that should matter is the color of his spine.)
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To: Kansas58

Agreed. I could care less. They are like the difference between gonorrhea and syphilis. Left untreated they will both kill you.


7 posted on 05/02/2009 2:02:30 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Extinct Semitic languages include Assyrian, Phoenician, Aramaic and others.

Actually Aramaic is still spoken in the Syrian town of Malula by Syrian Christians. Syriac still exists too and is the liturgical language of the Maronite Catholic Church. Also Mahri (also Semitic), a South Arabian language, is still spoken by some in eastern Yemen and western Oman.
8 posted on 05/02/2009 2:02:40 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: Cyrus the Great
Makes no difference they all look the same after the mushroom cloud goes away.
9 posted on 05/02/2009 2:03:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: G8 Diplomat

“Thank you for posting...Americans are so clueless about Middle East ethnicities and just assume they’re all “Arabs.”

Well there you go, assuming all Americans are clueless about the Middle East. Maybe you’re clueless about what American’s really think?


10 posted on 05/02/2009 2:03:36 PM PDT by repubpub (If I'm posting here, I must be on Napolitano's list.)
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To: Cyrus the Great
And here we see that Persians appear on the scene much in advance of Arabs.

A debatable point.

Earlier waves of Semites out of the Arabian desert included the Arameans, for sure, and quite possibly the Akkadians. Both of whom were around a couple thousand years before the Persians entered the historical record. In fact the Persian Empire used Aramean as its primary administrative language.

As so often is the case, it depends on how you define "Arab."

11 posted on 05/02/2009 2:03:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Cyrus the Great

The ancient Persians had some very positive attributes. I think Cyrus was the first ancient King to brag about how benevolent and just he was instead of how vicious a killer.

The Persians did fare poorly against the ancient Greeks in combat. On the other hand they defeated just about everyone else.

It is a shame what radical Islam has done to a once great people.


12 posted on 05/02/2009 2:03:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Cyrus the Great

All Muslims are suspect. Their birthplace is irrelevant.


13 posted on 05/02/2009 2:04:35 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Islam is a barbaric social and political system in religious drag.)
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To: Cyrus the Great
This rambling piece of prose wouldn't score very high in most English composition classes. I read it through and found some factual errors as well. A fellow company employee speaks Aramaic. So does his family and much of his community. It is hardly "extinct". The attempt at linguistic origins was moderately interesting. Most of the Iranians I've known since 1973 preferred the label Persian to Iranian. Many abhor the impact of radical Islam on their society.
14 posted on 05/02/2009 2:05:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Cyrus the Great
So Iranians are definitely not Arabs.

And Italians aren't Germans, but they both practiced fascism.

And Arabs and Persians have both sold their souls to a false prophet.

15 posted on 05/02/2009 2:05:34 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: repubpub

And what makes you confident that Americans *aren’t* clueless? Especially when you don’t give any evidence to the contrary.

I’ve talked to many people, seen many online comments here, read many articles, where people assume Iranians are Arabs. No not *everyone* thinks that, but given the distribution of people who do, it’s not off the charts to say that a large number of people don’t have a good idea of the diversity of the M.E.


16 posted on 05/02/2009 2:10:46 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: G8 Diplomat; Cyrus the Great

Their culture also is suffering from the same european-ish problem of failing to reproduce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fertility_rate_world_map_2.png


17 posted on 05/02/2009 2:12:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Cyrus the Great
Many Americans seem to entertain the illusion that Iranians are Arabs.

Would you rather have lead or arsenic in your water?

18 posted on 05/02/2009 2:13:14 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Given enough time, everything becomes illegal.)
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“In antiquity, Persia had various religious, such as Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Mazdaism and Manichaeism, all to be largely supplanted by Islam.”
Two thoughts crossed my mind. People warship Mazda's? And he forgot to mention “Sadism and Masochism”, although incorporated into Islam.
19 posted on 05/02/2009 2:14:30 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: yarddog

I have know a number of expatriate people FROM Iran, who preferred to be called “Persian”.

I liked and respected most of them.

They almost universally hold the current regime in Tehran in total contempt.

We need all the allies we can muster to combat the evil that threatens us now.


20 posted on 05/02/2009 2:17:08 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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