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Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers
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| 05/04/08
| Lindsey Tanner
Posted on 04/26/2009 12:14:37 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: 1000 silverlings
.....Pelosi is on fire,....
That would depend if she were still alive after the fire burned its self out.
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posted on
04/27/2009 12:16:55 PM PDT
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
To: ccmay; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Marie
One Tami flu over the cuckoo’s nest?
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posted on
04/27/2009 12:21:54 PM PDT
by
jurroppi1
(We need to reward the people that carry the water instead of the people that drink the water!)
To: TornadoAlley3
Who do they let die? Simple.... Republicans.
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posted on
04/27/2009 12:26:27 PM PDT
by
April Lexington
(Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
To: woofie
Man. With $100 million in the bank, you’d think Al Gore could afford to get his teeth fixed!
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posted on
04/27/2009 12:28:32 PM PDT
by
April Lexington
(Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
To: Marie
Hi Son of Marie. I loved the way you came to your Mom’s defense, and such a humorous way. You two obviously have a mutual admiration relationship going there. God bless you in every way and give you a long and blesed life.
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posted on
04/27/2009 12:51:19 PM PDT
by
WVNan
(Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu)
To: GeronL
If you reply in the affirmative (at least in the Chicago area) you will be saved...
If you say “no”, you will die...
/sarc, with a hint of “it would not surprise me”...
To: TornadoAlley3
Those without the cash to buy the Tamiflu from their doctor neighbor are on the list, no doubt.
Sucks, but that's capitalism.
247
posted on
04/27/2009 1:11:43 PM PDT
by
MeanWestTexan
(Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
To: ChicagahAl
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:27:50 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: bruinbirdman
“If they are most likely to survive, why waste scarce resources on them?”
You have a good point there. We leave the responsible and intelligent to fend for themselves, why not let the healthier ones help themselves(q)
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:30:14 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: meyer
"Ironically, in the coming nationalized medical care system with its expected shortage of personnel, we'll likely see the same list of criteria applied sans any epidemic. There won't be enough trained medical personnel to treat all, so there will be choices as to who to treat."
I read a few years ago the the federal government anticipates and operates its pandemic planning on the idea that 10-20% of health care professionals will not show up for work during a crisis.
Anybody really believe that the number of health care professionals self-isolating and refusing to come to work will be that low?
My guess: 40-50%. We were talking about this at work last night. This was a common refrain: "They can fire me if they want, if it comes down to a choice between my job and infecting my children from something I got at work, my kids come first." If you don't think that hospitals need a plan for a 500% increase in patient load simultaneous to a 50% or greater reduction of staffing, you aren't being realistic.
I hear people complain about how heartless it is to conceive of a way to save the maximum number of lives possible in an emergency. To the contrary, NOT trying to save the maximum number of lives would be heartless.
It's always amazing that liberals describe my professional services as a "right" for somebody else. No. Only I have a "right" to decide where I will be at any given time, and that includes a pandemic. For the record, I will probably work because my ethics would demand it - not because the government, my employer or anybody else would claim the "right" to my services.
Timothy, Critical Care RN.
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:33:53 PM PDT
by
ziravan
(FReeper for Congress: www.TimothyDelasandro.com)
To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
“A young, pretty, affluent, blond haired and blue eyed Wellesley College graduate with shredded lungs will die”
So will most of Hollywood considering their ah, practices. So many of them are anorexic, bulimic, or their systems are soaked on drugs that they’ll be the first ones to go.
Then we take over.
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:36:01 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: muawiyah
” I’m going to simply kidnap a doctor and keep him here at the house to take care of us until this is all over.”
That happened a lot during the Flu Pandemic of 1918-1919.
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:39:37 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: PLD
“Don’t choose who will die or live that sounds like something the Nazis did when they decided that the Jews were not good enough..”
Why the Nazis were allowed to do this is beyond me. That whole situation is the only reason I question God from time to time.
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:40:31 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: Salvation
Do you know if Lucia is still alive(q) I remember reading that she is in a Vatcan convent under an order of silence by John Paul II.
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:41:47 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: Niuhuru
Sorry, the ones who are anorexic or bulimic most likely have intensely clean colons and are probably naturally immune to flu.
To: Marie
What gumption he has. How old is he(q)
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posted on
04/27/2009 1:44:35 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: muawiyah
257
posted on
04/27/2009 1:45:23 PM PDT
by
Niuhuru
To: Niuhuru
Actually, a somewhat depressed immune system could be an advantage. The real damage to the Hollywood crowd will likely be because they have poor impulse control, lack common sense, and will try to maintain dangerous practices out of habit and arrogance.
An epidemic is a poor time to be egotistical, and think you are so important and beautiful that the disease can’t get you. A little humbleness can be a lifesaver.
To: Niuhuru
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posted on
04/27/2009 3:17:41 PM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: randomhero97
Years ago I hear Dr. Abraham Abraham, former head of a
hospital in Israel (Shaarei Tzedek) discuss this sort
of scenario. He related how he would not remove IIRC
a ventilator from one less health pt. (as I recall it)
and found older manual devices for the next one, lined
up staff and had them take turns. He also said “what
I fear is coming fills me with horror” (not quite an
exact quote) I should have expected this sort of softening
up article to appear right now.
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posted on
04/27/2009 4:50:51 PM PDT
by
cycjec
(ex)
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