At that time in Europe the new developments and the high rises were quite rare and things seemed pretty much as they had always been. It's hard to imagine that it has changed so much. Sad.
Posted on 04/25/2009 5:39:01 PM PDT by WesternCulture
For decades following WWII, any discussion regarding Germany was bound to deteriorate into a discussion of Nazism and Hitler.
If I post something here on this great site about, say, the Swedish National Ice Hockey Team, that thread will sooner or later end up in a discussion about Malmö and how the Muzzies have taken over large parts of Sweden as well as other places in Europe.
As a Swede/European, I don't mind.
Eurabia is reality and I'm convinced Americans who accuse us Europeans of being naive do so not out of malice or hatred towards Europe, but out of genuine concern.
Having visited Rosengård, Malmö (a part of Malmö that often is confused with the entire city itself) recently, I can't say my impression is that of Malmö being entirely overrun by Muslims.
However, native middle class Swedes seem to be moving out of inner Malmö to the suburbs, while people of a Middle East/North African origin are moving in, both from the Muslim World directly and from residential areas in other parts of Sweden that are not "Muslim enough" from their religious point of view.
If this development continues, Malmö will soon become more segregated from an ethnic, a religious as well as an economic perspective than any other city in Western Europe.
Already by today, Inner Malmö hosts the very same conflicts that are found in the Middle East; the battle between Jews and Muslims, the struggle between different Muslim groups and the strife between the Iranians who yearn for democracy and those who wish Iran to remain a medieval nation.
SWEDISH Malmö:
Nice houses in Suburban Malmö, a perfect Volvo middle class paradise;
http://www2.bjurfors.se/beskrivning.aspx?OBJGUID=3KVIG7JK2B863GII&OBJTYPE=CMVilla
http://www2.bjurfors.se/beskrivning.aspx?OBJGUID=3I5419P241E0R8A8&OBJTYPE=CMVilla
http://www2.bjurfors.se/beskrivning.aspx?OBJGUID=3KVQDDRT0FFHTP11&OBJTYPE=CMVilla
One of the around 60(!) marinas where middle class residents of Metropolitan Malmö (and the appr 400 000 inhabitants of Scania/Skåne that live outside of Metro Malmö) usually park their yachts:
http://www.archipelago.nu/SKARGARD/SVENSKA/SKANE/limhamn.jpeg
(Scania, the Swedish region where Malmö is located, is indeed a yacht owner’s as well as a Volvo owner’s paradise, the rest of Scandinavia is very much the same)
These folks are well off from a European perspective, but not from a Scandinavian point of view.
Some dream of a Victorian mansion on the English countryside, a French château or a luxurious house in Malibu. Personally, my ideal is to live like rich people in Scania do.
I could never afford to buy a home like this, but apparently, some of us Swedes have managed to, despite the yoke of Swedish income taxes (which in fact are moderate, it is our VAT that the world envies):
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_%C3%B6ver_slott_och_herres%C3%A4ten_i_Sk%C3%A5ne
If that seemed like some silly Swedish Socialist bragging over the wealth of his nation on the Internet, I’ll make it up to you by presenting a rather contrasting side of Malmö and Scandinavia in general:
MUSLIM Malmö:
The horror of Rosengård, Malmö:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKAM2iNO0_E
Fox News reporting from Malmö:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NzG3B-CTQ
I willingly admit we, as a nation, despite our economic resources and high levels of education, have failed disastrously.
Why do we let this havoc continue year after year?
One day, I hope all Scandinavians will become aware you can’t take people from the least civilized parts of the world, put them on Scandinavian soil and expect them to instantly function well in the richest, most advanced part of Western Civilization.
Amen and wish us good luck!
Check out the Trolleholms slott place. I could settle in nicely there.
At that time in Europe the new developments and the high rises were quite rare and things seemed pretty much as they had always been. It's hard to imagine that it has changed so much. Sad.
A Fairy Tale
Once upon a time, long, long ago, there was a land of freedom, peace, and plenty, and everyone the world over wanted to go there to live, adapting themselves to the realities of their new homeland. They wanted to become peaceful and prosperous and enlightened, just like the people who created this wonderful new land.
Then, the Dark Lord, seeing the success of this new land, placed a curse upon it, so that now people from war-torn, third world sh*t holes want to go there and bring with them and maintain their violence, their ignorance, and their benighted customs, and even impose them upon their new land.
And the residents of this new land, being basically kindhearted, and having forgotten the horrible failings of the old lands their forefathers had left behind them, encouraged these new arrivals, smilingly calling this lunacy “Multiculturalism.”
Then the new land crashed and burned and fell apart.
The End
“...I’m convinced Americans who accuse us Europeans of being naive do so not out of malice or hatred towards Europe, but out of genuine concern.”
Concern? Uhm...genuine “horror” is more like it.
We’ve had a multi-ethnic melting pot here in North America for nearly four centuries. I myself am English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, French, German, Austrian, Spanish, Italian-Swiss, and Cherokee Indian.
There are still places in the U.S.A. where languages other than Enlish predominate, and not just the better-known examples of Spanish and Asian languages. Russian, German, Polish - many farming communities established by these emigrant groups over a century ago formed their own cliques early on and did not mingle with outsiders until the third generation was born in the U.S.A.
Two world wars, the proliferation of railways, radio and television communication - changed all that isolation and eventually resulted in what peoples from outside might perceive as an “American Culture”. But in reality there isn’t such a “culture”, and the newcomers from Mexico and Islamic nations are causing problems as they are very, very resistant to the concept of a democratic republic unified by belief in a Constitution of laws which respects differences between peoples.
Whether it is Mexicans or Muslims, they seem to feel their way of doing things is better and the rest of us can just get out of their way!
“One day, I hope all Scandinavianscivilized nations will become aware you can’t take people from the least civilized parts of the world of Islam...”
When these countries realize it, it will be waaaay too late.
- I was born in 1969, but I perfectly understand what you mean.
While Europe of today, in several ways, is a better place in which to live than it was in the early 1950s, something valuable seems to be eternally lost.
On the other hand, I experience Europeans everywhere around the continent are becoming increasingly dissatisfied (to say the least) with our politicians’ lenient attitudes to Islamism, immigration and all sorts of crimes related to Third World Immigration.
If it's Racist and intolerant to wish Europe to remain Christian, prosperous and civilized, I'm most definitely extremely Racist and intolerant.
Just like hundreds of millions of other Europeans.
“Check out the Trolleholms slott place. I could settle in nicely there.”
- If you ever do so, I hope you’ll find enough of storage facility there for your guns (read what you’d written on your homepage).
Regards from Gothenburg, Sweden!
That ended the Kalmar Union. The new Swedish King then had to replace the dead nobles, and did so by importing smart guys, rich guys, and powerful guys with their own entourage.
Not too long afterwards (as history goes) Sweden whuthed everybody in the North, then in Central Europe, etc.
Only thing I found out about his demands on these new nobles was that they attend the state Lutheran church (even though he himself liked a high mass).
Seems like that should be a modern standard for Sweden ~ if someone immigrates there they have to go to the state church. If they don't like that, they can go somewhere else.
“Then the new land crashed and burned and fell apart.”
- Are you seriously suggesting we Scandinavians ought to spend a little more on deporting Muslims and a little less on building even more of IKEA marinas?
Actually, my little parable was about the United States; however, if the shoe fits...
Arm yourselves. When the **** hits the fan, and it will, the people who got you into this will not be there to help; they’ll be kicking it at some vacation resort. The only place close to you which has the kinds of firepower you need at the kinds of prices you need is Russia; on the web, that looks like http://rusarm.ru/ or http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/weapon.shtml.
Usually though, self-destructive behavior rewards us with at least a short-term gain, a pleasure to seduce us into courting the long term pain. Even the heroine addict obtains relief with his next fix even though that fix sentences him to an even crueler withdrawal.
One is compelled to ask, what do the people of Sweden gain from the behavior which so patently is causing the destruction of their society? What exactly is the behavior? The introduction of foreigners who are alien in race, religion, culture, and language. Surely the Swedes have learned by now that this practice is threatening to the very existence of their way of life, not to mention their democracy. Why do they persist in admitting such aliens into their midst? They must be getting some sort of short-term gain to induce them to court their own destruction.
Indeed they are. It is exactly the same emotional release experienced by tens of millions of our neighbors when they voted to elect the first black American president. By the act of practicing multiculturalism in the polling booth, liberals and well-meaning independents were able to feel free of racism, superior to conservatives who did not share their view of the Messiah-ship of Obama and who were therefore racists. They gained the psychological flood of feelings of well-being from an act of self-righteousness. They felt superior.
Indeed, if one thinks about the reaction of Jeanene Garafalo and of Bill Mahrer to the tea parties, which was to accuse the protesters of racism without the faintest hint of factual support, one can see the psychology in action. The problem for us conservatives is that the American liberal and well-meaning independents is as impervious to the evidence before his eyes of the self-destruction resulting from his behavior, as is the Swede.
It is a problem for conservatives because it means that liberals are in a lockbox which is emotional, not logical, and therefore immune to logic. The issue is really irrelevant because as soon as a liberal position is assailed with the evidence of our own eyes, liberals invoke racism and the emotion of the issue shuts down logic as it shuts down debate. That is one reason why Tip O'Neill had it wrong, all politics in America is not local, it is racial. Ultimately, it means that liberals and well-meaning independents are simply incapable of addressing many many issues. It also means that conservatives will lose elections.
The result is that America and Sweden are condemned to many, many Malmös of the soul as well as of geography.
The Swedes actually have quite an efficient army, not to mention two periods of history, the Viking era and the 17th century, in which they raided across or conquered much of Europe.
The problem is not one of competence or firepower, it is one of will, and therefore much harder to solve. One can buy or build weapons. Where do you go to get the will to defend your society?
Regarding “Evil King Kristian of Denmark”:
He’s known as “Kristian the Tyrant” in Sweden while the Danes themselves simply call him Christian II or Christian 2.
I certainly do not hate the Danes, but Swedes and Danes have a long history of bitter conflict.
This might interest you in case you don’t know the whole story already:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Bloodbath
Concerning the end of the Kalmar Union:
My opinion is the Kalmar Union ended very much because Sweden’s geopolitical interests at that time were directed eastwards (wishing to establish a Baltic Sea empire), while Denmark’s ambition was to expand southwards. Denmark waged war on Holstein, something that angered Sweden a lot as this aggression did harm to trade that was vital to Swedish interests.
“Only thing I found out about his demands on these new nobles was that they attend the state Lutheran church (even though he himself liked a high mass).”
- I’m not an expert, but that makes sense to me. Gustav Vasa probably had a
“Seems like that should be a modern standard for Sweden ~ if someone immigrates there they have to go to the state church. If they don’t like that, they can go somewhere else.”
- Couldn’t agree more.
Thoughtful, perceptive post. And it illuminates the conservatives' central political problem.
As you point out, a conservative will never win an argument with a committed liberal. Once they can't reconcile their emotions with logic, they shut down. We've all experienced this phenomenon with friends and family.
Nor will we ever mount a convincing ideological argument for the vast middle, because a.) they don't want to hear it and b.) they aren't paying attention anyway.
In our current circumstance, about the only way to defeat the liberals is let them destroy themselves -- which they are full capable of doing. Eventually, they'll overreach, strangling themselves in corruption and incompetence -- bringing down the wrath of the feckless moderate.
We can count on them to do that. Problem is, all the damage they will do in the meantime...
“Actually, my little parable was about the United States”
- OK, I didn’t realize that. Guess I should’ve read your post more carefully. My apologies..
Anyhow, I believe both Europe and USA today face the same kind of challenge; namely that of being led by politicians who don’t know what to do about the reality of a veritable army of invasion from the underdeveloped part of the world “ad portas”.
There are Muslims who believe in democracy and wish to live in a more or less Western way of life, just like there are Mexicans who would make model American citizens. But my impression is that for every “good” Mexican or Muslim, we get two or three bad eggs.
This development can not continue and neither ordinary Americans or common Europeans are Racists for saying “no thanks” to Multiculturalism.
A Muslim who wants to live a Western life is not a Muslim, he is at best a Westerner who comes from a Muslim ethnicity. Someone who believes in the Quran MUST, as a religious duty, strive to impose Islam upon the whole world.
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