Obama’s EPA Declares CO2 a Poison

Pajamas Media ^ | April 22 | James Lewis

[andyandval]

Glad you liked it.

;)

[El Gato]

So the WH staff & Congress, along with news, will close up shop, stop talking and go back to their cages while we take to caves?

At least we have lots of nice caves hereabout. Damp, but not too cold or too hot. (98% humidty, 71 degrees or near that depending on the cave) Many virtually unexplored too. Quite likely many undiscovered as well, but a little work with a thumper truck would fix that.

[steveab]

Dihydrogen Monoxide.
No,No,No,No more Dihydrogen Monoxide, please. I'll tell you everything
CO2 TAX, THE NEW TEA TAX

[ncpatriot]

Yeah, let’s get rid of CO2 so that the plants/trees will die. I mean, if it is poison we need to get rid of it. These people are idiots!

[steelyourfaith]

EPA is filled with flunky bureaucrats.CO₂ is a harmless gas necessary for the cycle of life, and there in lies a problem for ecotards.

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[dr_lew]

You don’t have to have taken chemistry to know that CO2 is what we breathe out and plants breathe in.

Plants respire in addition to photosynthesizing. Excessive plant growth in a pond can deplete the O2 supply dissolved in the water due to plant respiration, and cause a fish kill.

[Steve Van Doorn]

The red line is the average temperature of the earth over millions of years. Believe it or not we are in an ice age, though we have been lucky for the last 10,000 years with a ‘brief’ warm period.

The average temperature today is around 15 deg C.

think about it for a second. ALL scientists will agree with this point that we are in a brief warm period during the middle of an ice age, it is just a matter of time when we plunge back into the cold period of the ice age that we are experiencing. It isn't a matter of 'if' it is a matter of when.

While we are screwing around with global warming the real threat is the coming ice age. It could be a thousand years off or it could be tomorrow we only know it usually happens suddenly. I would expect 2/3's of the population of the earth will die if not more.

[Enoughofthissocialism]

Exactly. I remember charts, back in science class when I was a child, showing the oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle with plants and animals and how carbon dioxide is a necessary part of the ecosystem.

Now it's a poison?

God, is there anything to stop these inane, destructive freaks?

[Alex Kida]

Why? That's really simple. CO2 is something that we give off and is produced when creating energy. If we create it and then we demonize it then we can make the case that we need to reduce the amount we make. How do we reduce the amount that we produce. We TAX it. Now isn't that simple. Of course this is completely bogus.

Well who will we pay the estimated $3,700 a year extra we will be charged for producing CO2. The IMF (the International Monetary Fund) or other world organization. That helps fund the One World Government and the policing to make sure we are only producing our “fair share”. Of course this helps finance our own slavery.

If you buy into the fact that CO2 is a “bad gas” then you get taxes and then get World Government. This will further collapse the US Government. This of course is one of the goals of the New World Order. Wake up out there.

[weston]

All substances are potential poisons, but if you’re Obama’s EPA you make it CO2. Wonder why?...

These people cut their teeth on the radical 60's notion that our world was going to die because of man and overpopulation.
It is not surprising they want to place limits on CO2 emissions because they want to p;ace limits on mankind itself.
Today's environmental laws will become the basis for tomorrows population control. China's "one child" law is not very far from us.

[weston]

p;ace = place

forgot the cardinal preview rule.....

[ForGod'sSake]

Basic Information about Concentrations of CO₂ in Air

• 1,000,000 ppm of a gas = 100 % concentration of the gas, and 10,000 ppm of a gas in air = a 1% concentration.
• At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO₂ (10,000 parts per million or ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.
• The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.
• Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
• If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.
• Breathing rate doubles at 3% CO₂ and is four times the normal rate at 5% CO₂.
• Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO₂ is directly toxic. [At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO₂.]

[brytlea]

Oh my we’re doomed!!

[Drammach]

No Fair! You looked it up! ( Joking )

I read your link and the concentrations / toxicity levels seemed awfully high to me, but I was going from memory.

Anyway, I went back and actually found the reference I was "quoting" ( if my faulty memory can be considered a quote ) and here is some of what I found.

The NIOSH Recommended Exposure Limit for CO2 in workplaces is 0.5% (5,000 ppm) for a 40-hour workweek (TWA = Total Weekly Average) and 3.0% for a 15-minute short-term exposure limit; (STEL) a level of 4.0% is designated as "immediately dangerous to life or health"

This from Wikipedia:
Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%). The maximum safe level for infants, children, the elderly and individuals with cardio-pulmonary health issues is significantly less. For short-term (under ten minutes) exposure, the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) limit is 30,000 ppm (3%). NIOSH also states that carbon dioxide concentrations exceeding 4% are immediately dangerous to life and health. [32]

Adaptation to increased levels of CO2 occurs in humans. Continuous inhalation of CO2 can be tolerated at three percent inspired concentrations for at least one month and four percent inspired concentrations for over a week. It was suggested that 2.0 percent inspired concentrations could be used for closed air spaces (e.g. a submarine) since the adaptation is physiological and reversible. Decrement in performance or in normal physical activity does not happen at this level.[33][34]

These figures are valid for pure carbon dioxide. In indoor spaces occupied by people the carbon dioxide concentration will reach higher levels than in pure outdoor air. Concentrations higher than 1,000 ppm will cause discomfort in more than 20% of occupants, and the discomfort will increase with increasing CO2 concentration. The discomfort will be caused by various gases coming from human respiration and perspiration, and not by CO2 itself. At 2,000 ppm the majority of occupants will feel a significant degree of discomfort, and many will develop nausea and headaches. The CO2 concentration between 300 and 2,500 ppm is used as an indicator of indoor air quality.

Now, that last paragraph bothers me as it seems to contradict earlier levels / effects, although it commits itself to "pure" CO2, and seems to address indoor exposures.

But one thing seems to be clear, and that is the higher concentrations refer to a limited exposure time, be it a day, week, or monthly period.
Continuous exposure appears to require much lower levels.
As a matter of safety, I could probably feel fairly secure as long as "atmospheric" levels of CO2 remained below 1000 ppm. ( .1 percent )
This is probably way lower than what we can tolerate without consequence, but in this day and age, I'm not sure who to trust any more with the data.

I guess more research is in order to determine what is and isn't "safe" or "optimal" for the planet and most especially, humans.
In the meantime, I will buy a canary, and keep it close to me at all times.
If I find it dead at the bottom of it's cage, I'll start to worry.

[ForGod'sSake]

This appears to be the money quote: Adaptation to increased levels of CO2 occurs in humans.

I've never given any thought to what the human body might be able to adapt to, in partucular concerning higher/lower levels of CO₂ concentrations. Would humans develop larger lungs or other mechanisms to deal with higher levels of CO₂ over long periods of time? Particularly if those changes slowly occurred over very long periods of time? Maybe we're not all gonna die...

[dfwgator]

Yep, that stuff will kill ‘ya.