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Solution to World's Pirate Problem May Come From Mobile
The Mobile Register ^ | April 15, 2009 | GEORGE TALBOT

Posted on 04/15/2009 12:12:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive

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To: Logic n' Reason
But somebody tell me why we are not building fixed wing and rotary drones by the 100s...equip them with two or four missles each. Fly them off "pocket" carriers for fixed wing or back of destroyers for rotary. Relative to other methods discussed, they are cheap.

It's on the horizon, but the way they are planning to do it the drones will be large, heavy and expensive. There will be significant challenges in launching & recovering drones of this size safely. But I agree with you. It would seem possible to do this very cheaply.

21 posted on 04/15/2009 12:58:29 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Red Badger

Nice!


22 posted on 04/15/2009 1:02:18 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: barb-tex
I think theold PT boat, with modern weapons would do the job for less money. This one looks like little over kill too.

Even modern PT boats would need a tender to act as a floating base or dock. This is all possible, but the solution needs somebody to give the order.

23 posted on 04/15/2009 1:02:21 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Coronal

The Tarawa class also have the ability to dock and store landing craft. They could act as base ships for fast boats as well.


24 posted on 04/15/2009 1:24:14 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: 1-Eagle; 131st Scout; 2CAVTrooper; 65superhawk; 6Covs; A.P.M.; adkinsjohnnie; Alabama Mutt; ...

Alabama ping!


25 posted on 04/15/2009 1:25:02 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: PapaBear3625

USS Peleliu was involved in stopping a pirate attack in that region just last year.


26 posted on 04/15/2009 1:35:18 PM PDT by Coronal
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To: Red Badger

I was just looking at this vessel in your picture. Our ‘tea-party’ was on the opposite side of the river from this ship. We had an excellent tea party too...between 2,000-4,000 people attended.


27 posted on 04/15/2009 2:00:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: Logic n' Reason
Then...simply "search and destroy".

Looking like a fishing boat is effective deterrance to a "search and destroy" drone. Only by boarding pitate ships can we be sure they are pirate ships. Even then it is difficult, as non-pirate boats must arm themselves against pirate ships.

28 posted on 04/15/2009 2:14:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Check out Puppy News at www.buyingapuppy.com)
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To: Onelifetogive

I’m not surprised in the least that the US Government would look to a $220 million dollar solution, when they can achieve the same result for a few thousand dollars by outfitting the crew with a couple dozen Remington 870’s, Marlin 308’s and 338’s, Bushmaster AR-15’s, and surplus bowling balls.


29 posted on 04/15/2009 2:16:25 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Onelifetogive

Good point. Given that the default position of the Media is to report “Dead Civilians”, when in fact they are terrorists, drone strikes against small vessels could quickly become counterproductive.


30 posted on 04/15/2009 2:33:21 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Onelifetogive

I don’t know why they don’t just send the PC-1 Cyclone class.


31 posted on 04/15/2009 2:43:50 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Cheaper solution: long-endurance Predator-type UAVs that can be launched from a base ship (not a super-carrier), patrol long stretches of water, and engage pirates with rocket and machinegun fire
I think along the same lines. It would be good also to consider using a radar aircraft (piloted or not) to keep all boats/ships in the area under surveilance. That way when a pirate boat approached a cargo ship you would know where it came from - and could sink the mother ship as well as the actual attack boat.

For defensive purposes, a Marine on board a freighter with a .50 cal Barrett rifle with some explosive rounds would be able to give any attack boat something to think about besides ransom money. Would they need to board the freighter at sea to get around firearm restrictions at ports of call?


32 posted on 04/15/2009 3:07:57 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
It would be good also to consider using a radar aircraft (piloted or not) to keep all boats/ships in the area under surveilance. That way when a pirate boat approached a cargo ship you would know where it came from - and could sink the mother ship as well as the actual attack boat.

Sounds like something that the Global Hawk reconnaissance UAV was designed for. Have one or two Global Hawks on station finding targets for a few Predators.

33 posted on 04/15/2009 5:14:31 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Onelifetogive
Looking like a fishing boat is effective deterrance to a "search and destroy" drone. Only by boarding pitate ships can we be sure they are pirate ships.

One rule of thumb we can apply is that if the boat has an engine capable of speeds exceeding 15 knots, and there are arms aboard, we put a bullet through the engine and give them some paddles to get home with.

34 posted on 04/15/2009 5:21:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625
One rule of thumb we can apply is that if the boat has an engine capable of speeds exceeding 15 knots, and there are arms aboard, we put a bullet through the engine and give them some paddles to get home with.

Agree ... and a few bullet holes in the hull a inch or two below the waterline. That'll keep'em busy ...

35 posted on 04/15/2009 5:28:46 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: PapaBear3625
Global Hawk
Sounds just right!

I'd imagine they are a high-value asset, needed in Afghanistan.


36 posted on 04/15/2009 6:02:02 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Onelifetogive
Looking like a fishing boat is effective deterrance to a "search and destroy" drone. Only by boarding pitate ships can we be sure they are pirate ships.

This is sounding more like the original mission of the Swift Boats in the Vietnam war, interdicting arms traffic offshore.

The mission changed and they went upriver later, iirc.

Few boats are going to have enough armor to resist RPGs and shallow enough draft to do the job. Maneuverability and speed are always in a tradeoff over crew protection.

Using drones to shadow such vessels and separate the fishermen from the pirates and track them might be the way to go.

If there was some way to 'tag' the boats (RFID transponders?) and know which was which, even the 'dual use' vessels could be monitored and appropriate action taken.

37 posted on 04/15/2009 7:01:27 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Onelifetogive
And drones?

For Heaven's sake, no! Let the pilots have some fun and get some practice! ;-D

38 posted on 04/15/2009 8:16:56 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
For Heaven's sake, no! Let the pilots have some fun and get some practice! ;-D

A drone pilot can have some fun, blast some bad guys and at 5:00 pm go home to the wife and kids.

39 posted on 04/15/2009 8:20:16 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Check out Puppy News at www.buyingapuppy.com)
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