Posted on 03/31/2009 1:21:25 PM PDT by prismsinc
PRINCETON, NJ -- Despite the Roman Catholic Church's official opposition to abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, a Gallup analysis finds almost no difference between rank-and-file American Catholics and American non-Catholics in terms of finding the two issues morally acceptable.
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no it’s not.
Unfortunately, most of today’s Catholics went through the Marxist government school system and then attended heavily Marxist colleges while reading Marxist newspapers and watching Marxist television and enjoying the movies and music of Marxist entertainers.
How does one hour per week in Church compete with that?
And do these so called Catholics who support abortion go to Church? I don’t think so and I don’t call them Catholic either.
Half of the people who identify themselves as Catholic are actually Catholic. It takes a little more than saying so to be so.
We HAVE to. This is a major problem for us in America. This is partly why Notre Dame thinks they can get away with propping up the baby killer Obama
Then they're not Catholics.
Yes, but overall, we are losing members. This is bad. It needs to be addressed.
Then they are not Catholics. They’re not Wildebeestes either, but they can call themselves that, too.
How does one hour per week in Church compete with that?
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Just curious. What makes hyou think they give one hor a week in church? Accordiong to the poll they called up about three thousand people, got what they claim was their religion ands then asked what they believe. JUST ONCE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM GO TO A CHURCH, ESPECIALLY A CONSERVATIVE ONE AND ASK THE QUESTION.
I’d estimate that upwards of 80% of those calling themselves Catholic are CINOs. The Church has only itself to blame for this as decades of doctrinal and catechetical laxity on the part of the American episcopate has borne its expected fruit.
Good thing the Church isn’t a democracy.
What’s the punishment for apostasy?
As far as I can tell, somewhere between “nothing” and “self-excommunication”, whatever that means.
During the last forty years, our clergy has beocme more and more liberal, so the specific differences between Catholicism and other faiths have been soft-peddled. The exception has been between us and the evangelicals orf conservative Protestants.
I would question the results of this poll as being agenda driven.
To the proclaimed Catholics who actually believe abortion is acceptable, they have a fundamental misunderstanding of what being Catholic is.
Who wants to talk to STUPID and IMMORAL people that haven’t a CLUE what their religion means?
“The stance of the Catholic church on moral issues has come into the spotlight in recent days with the announcement that President Barack Obama will be giving the commencement address and receiving an honorary degree at the University of Notre Dame in May.”
How many Catholics supported Obama’s stance on denying aid to babies that survive abortion and are born alive, living for hours gasping for breath in a utility closet?
The man supports baby killing, not just abortion.
Probably same on shacking up also.
They show Catholics as finding extramartial sex, homosexual relations, and divorce as being more morally acceptable to Catholics than non-Catholics. Funny sample they have.
Biden, Pelosi,Kennedy don’t attend Church?
“Sex between an unmarried man and woman 67% Catholics (find it morally acceptable), 57% non-Catholics”
I don’t really know why they picked out self-described “Catholics” in particular. This “poll” could apply to self-described Christians as a whole in America. I don’t see the advantage to this poll.
I’m astounded that anyone calling themselves Catholic could in find embryonic stem cell research and abortion acceptable. If this poll is true, it proves most Catholics are twice-a-year-to-mass CINO’s. :0(
Dig deeper, COMMITTED Catholics (who attend church once a week) rate abortion as 24% morally acceptable (compared with 52% of non-Committed Catholics). And 19% of COMMITTED Non-Catholics find abortion morally acceptable.
So their sample pool is screwed. It has to be heavily weighted against committed Christians (the numbers more closely resemble the Non-Committeds).
“The data show that regular churchgoing non-Catholics also have very conservative positions on moral issues. In fact, on most of the issues tested, regular churchgoers who are not Catholic are more conservative (i.e., less likely to find a given practice morally acceptable) than Catholic churchgoers.”
“Results are based on telephone interviews with an aggregated sample of 3,022 national adults, aged 18 and older, interviewed in polls conducted in May 2006, May 2007, and May 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points.”
To make the Catholic Church look WEAK.
Interesting. I do go to Church and I don't remember the last time this was mentioned at Mass. Then again I don't hear about abortion or Bishop's letters unless it is election time. The Bishops have made these issues political rather than moral.
Mainstream? my ass.
This matches the exit poll numbers for the 2008 Presidential election.
Embryonic stem cell research and abortion are really our only morally “unacceptable” points because they amount to murder. Everything else is a personal behavior that none of us could do anything about anyway. Personal sins are between the sinner and God. The most another could do is advise.
That’s what I find ignorant about these pollsters. You really could answer either way, depending upon your comprehension of the question.
> Just curious. What makes hyou think they give one hor a week in church?
I have relatives that attend the local RCC regularly. They are pro-abortion Marxists who have never voted for a Republican and never will.
When I was a youth, my parents required me to go to church and sunday school well into my teens.
Fifty years ago, my sixth grade elementary school teacher introdcued my class to evolutionism. When asked why the sunday school teaches us that God created, she answered, “That’s religion, but this is science.” That was the beginning of the end of my Catholic faith.
In eighth grade, we had a teacher of Ancient History who dismissed the Bible as “Babylonian Folk Tales.” That was 48 years ago.
Today, I have friends who run a cleaning business. Many of their clients are teachers. In every one of the teachers’ homes, EVERY ONE, the bulletin boards are crammed with Leftist activism reminders, events, contacts, and communiques. And they all have Obama stickers on their cars.
One of the houses they clean is inhabited by two Lesbians who are “married”. One is a teacher, and the other is the principal.
What chance does ANY church have against the indoctrinational onslaught of Leftist Academia?
My friends have their children in a church school.
Was there a distinction made between church-attending and non-attending Catholics? I doubt it.
Unfortunately, I know of 2 such families. Well, they support “choice”. Quite frankly, they have no real understanding of why the Church believes as she does.
We’re part of the uneducated generation being taught in the 70s.
Actually, it was quite comprehensive. Take a look at the thread.
You might consider taking your ass out of the stream. At least wait until the weather gets a bit warmer then put it back in.
Part of the problem too is that homilies are supposed to be focused on the Gospel (and the one or two other readings, if possible). Sin doesn’t get that much air time, I suppose.
Yes, sorry - I jumped the gun!
I would like to see the actual questons and the order in which they were read, rather than a summary of the results. To me, for example, out of wedlock births are morally acceptable if the alternative is abortion. Also, I suspect that many Catholics will accept abortion as morally justifiable in the event of rape, incest, or substantial risk of death to the mother (only the last counts for me). I also suspect that if asked “do you believe that abortion on demand for any reason or no reason at all is morally acceptable,” the answer among Catholics would be substantially different than what the the Gallup Poll reports.
The Lake of Fire, last time I looked.
Part of the liberal spin to soften things up for Obama at Notre Dame. "Hey, Catholics don't mind killing embryos any more than liberals, Protestants, and secular humanists."
The Pope has written that Marxism is incompatible with Catholicism. Marxism is about the collective and individuals are not important and are expendable in such a system. The end justifies the means....Marxists kill anyone who get in the way of their agenda....The State is the most important. Marxism also rewards immoral and unproductive behaviors and has always ended up with complete tyranny—no freedoms, such as religion, or to raise your own children. The society lives in fear and under slavery.
Christianity is all about the individual being the temple of God and every life is special (non-Christians also) and even the life in a mother’s womb. People have free will and the most freedom ever found in the history of any culture. Besides John Locke and Natural Law, Christianity was a major force in creating the US.
Christian theology can NOT be dumped if people want freedom. Not possible.
Remember what Mark Twain said: “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.”
No we are not losing members we are losing CINOS.
How does one hour per week in Church compete with that?
Given the political leanings of the average priest these days, it reinforces it.
Also plunking your tush in a pew every Sunday does not necessarily mean one is a good Catholic. I would rather see the poll ask about adherence to Church teaching as an overall gauge of just how Catholic someone is.
“What’s the punishment for apostasy?”
Hell.
Some thoughts:
1. This is Gallup. Who doesn’t take Gallup’s political polls with a very large grain of salt? The same applies to their religious polls.
2. They don’t give the survey questions. I really wish I could see the wording, which Gallup admits can skew the results.
3. I don’t at all believe the results accurately reflect the views of orthodox observant Catholics. More of them in the mix would have tipped the poll right on its a...axis.
4. Sadly, whether any of us like admitting it, orthodox and observant Catholics are a minority in our own Church. God help us.
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