Posted on 03/12/2009 4:00:38 AM PDT by drellberg
""Wikileaks" explained in an earlier email that it was making public the information on Coleman's donors, including their credit card numbers, because of the "Coleman campaign's effort to impugn the election processes in the State of Minnesota." As a result of Wikileak's mass email of a spread sheet containing credit card information for thousands of Coleman donors, the Coleman campaign sent an email to its supporters today suggesting that they cancel their credit cards."
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You’re not being hyperbolic at all. It is a threat. It’s also criminal.
LLS
It sounds like Coleman supporters (whose information has been stolen) should contact their local police and file charges against the owners/operators of wikileaks.
Yes, it is. One "wonders" what Eric Holder's DOJ plans to do about it. My guess is "nothing at all".
“Yes, it is. One “wonders” what Eric Holder’s DOJ plans to do about it. My guess is “nothing at all”.”
The Democrat party is a criminal organization.
There is a quote engraved above one of the entrances to the DOJ, it reads, “Where Justice Ends, Tyranny Begins.”
So now you have the answer. Question is what are Americans going to do about tyranny?
IIRC, the rat was fired. No charges filed.
I got the e-mail from wikileaks. My card was already cancelled, after being used on ‘adult’ sites (and, NO, it was not by me).
The left still hypes Watergate while their squalid terrorism against dissidents continues with impunity.
One way to protect yourself — and I’m going to do this in the future — is to open up a separate bank account at a separate bank (from all your other accounts) and get a debit card (with no credit) and keep the account balance very low, close to zero.
When you want to donate $500 to someone, transfer the $500 from one of your “real” accounts and use the debit card to give that $500 to the candidate of your choice.
For a little effort (it’s easy), you not only protect yourself but you have the satisfaction of thwarting potential political attacks on your money.
The cardholders won’t take the big hit, the card issuers will. No doubt, the hackers use this logic to justify their crimes.
That’s the way liberals think.
“It’s also criminal.”
Yes, it is. One “wonders” what Eric Holder’s DOJ plans to do about it. My guess is “nothing at all”.
Only if it was done to a democrat is it criminal. Republicans are fair game and there are no laws that will be enforced.
They aren’t hackers. They are criminals.
I have received three emails from the anti-American Nazi criminals who got the information. Their name is WIKILEAK.
I have a feeling that this is going to be unpopular, but another way to protect yourself is to use Bank of America's "Shop Safe." I honestly have no idea if any other banks have a feature like this, but the other banks with whom I do business do not.
"Shop Safe" allows you to set up "pseudo-cards," with a unique card number, expiration date (you can set it up to expire in as little as 2 months), and a maximum spending limit (which can be increased or decreased as needed), and that 3 digit security code. While the charges are charged to your "real" BofA credit card, none of the account information of your "real" card is released. Another bonus is that once you've used that card number at one vendor or merchant, that account information is ONLY valid for that vendor or merchant - nobody else.
I use it all the time when I do on-line purchases, and I've been using for about 3 years now with no problems at all. Another place where it's very useful is for "subscription services" that can sometimes be a nightmare in canceling. You can set up the "card" to expire whenever you like, so the company can't keep charging you after you've told them to stop. In the past, I've had to contact the credit card company to have the card canceled and get a new card issued, which was a hassle.
Like I said before, I know that Bank of America isn't terribly popular here, but this is a feature that works well, and I haven't found it at any other bank with whom I do business.
Mark
“what Eric Holder’s DOJ plans to do about it.”
History shows us numerous examples of what happens when justice is perverted. The French Revolution is one example.
I want to say something, but such happenings make me so angry I can’t find the right words.
Thanks for telling me about Shop Safe.
I’m going to start using it anyway; make a habit of it.
Why do you say BoA isn’t popular here? I hadn’t heard that.
When are the repubics going to start fighting back as hard as the libs are fighting us? We have the means... These people need a dose of their own medicine plus a bunch more!
I agree!!!
Several Truths:
1) We can no longer depend on the GOP to fight back....
Most are to busy trying to get accolades from the media...
2) We Conservatives are on our own.....
3) Slowly but surely,conservative grassroots groups are forming example- tea parties
4) Rapid sale of guns and ammo has the left PETRIFIED
5) It only takes a spark to ignite the counter-attack—history is loaded with examples
BofA is known for doing things that "aren't nice" with some customers... I've heard some real horror stories over the years on the Clark Howard radio show. And a while back there was a huge outcry here on FR, because of the policy of issuing mortgages to illegal aliens. BofA was also a big supporter of getting the rules that allowed the mexican ID card to be used in opening accounts.
But I've never had a problem with BofA. And their on-line banking is better than any other bank I've seen. Especially "Shop Safe." It's really terrific.
I've only ever had 1 problem with BofA, due to them incorrectly crediting a payment , but a single phone call took care of the problem. It could have easily been a simple data entry error.
Mark
After they consolidate their political power, the murders of their perceived critics will start, and the Democrat media will ignore the bloodshed.
I changed banks when finally I had enough when the teller's first words to me were in spanish.
Just my 2c.
I don’t think you have to put liberal in front of hacker. Thats basically redundant. Can you imagine a conservative hacking? I can’t.
I agree 100%!
LLS
Excuse me, worst-case scenario, but NO. Even if all that you say is true, Wikileaks sent a spreadsheet with thousands of credit card numbers in a mass mailing. Are you saying that this is anything short of criminal?
And are you kidding?
Wikileaks did not send a spreadsheet in a mass mailing. They did a mass mailing to the addresses that were on the spreadsheet, telling them that their financial data had been compromised.
Did you read any of the linked news articles? They covered this situation in much more detail, and if you read them, we can debate using the same facts.
It's called a virtual credit card number and almost every credit card issuer offers it (Visa, MC, Amex).
What links? Please help, since yes I do want to know the facts. Hinderaker is alleging something quite reprehensible. If he is mistaken I am sure he would want to know.
By its own admission, wikileaks says it sent out the core data. See:
http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/The_Big_Bad_Database_of_Senator_Norm_Coleman
“In response Wikileaks has had to bring forward its public announcement. The open government group has released two files, a detailed list of 4,721 on-line donors with the last four digits of their credit cards as proof and a list of some 51,641 supporters. The full database comprises over 30 tables of information, including personal details, full credit card numbers, passwords and “back of card” security numbers.
Wikileaks will release other material from the extensive Coleman database once those affected have time to be informed.”
What am I missing, worst-case-scenario, that would in any way exonerate these reprobates?
Moreover, how would any of us here be able to ascertain as “fact” whether the Coleman campaign was “incompetent” or that these reprobates broke the law?
I take their actions as prima facie evidence that they intend to chill political activity and discourse, irrespective of any errors that the Coleman campaign may or may not have committed.
To repeat my question, what could I possibly be missing by way of facts????
And yet hackers hypocritically “champion” privacy rights. They are two-bit thugs. And many serve the cause of Socialism.
They should be charged with violating FEC law by intimidating would be Republican donors.
No problem, they did format a bit unreadably.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/28748/colemans-site-wasnt-hacked-says-it-pro-who-discovered-donor-breach
http://minnesotaindependent.com/24817/crashgate-reveals-unprotected-database-on-colemans-site
Here’s an article about Wikileaks itself:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=cybercrime_and_hacking&articleId=9129460&taxonomyId=82&intsrc=kc_top
and an article on Wikileaks itself where they talk about the Coleman database:
http://88.80.13.160/wiki/The_Big_Bad_Database_of_Senator_Norm_Coleman
and here’s an article from today’s St Paul Pioneer Press:
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_11891772?nclick_check=1
Obviously, Coleman’s IT workers made some major blunders with this database. They should have never stored the three-digit security codes associated with the 51,000 credit card numbers they held onto. And it seriously looks like someone in the campaign left the directory containing this database in an unsecured location available through the web.
If someone looks at a database you’ve left open on the web, you haven’t been “hacked.” But I can understand why he would claim that was the problem - because it looks incompetent and embarrassing otherwise. If he really believes that he was hacked, then he is ignorant about computer security and his staff has gulled him. If he knows that he wasn’t and releases this “hacked” explanation as a cover-up, then he think that his supporters are ignorant about computer security.
I’ve got a private IT business, and Coleman’s explanation unfortunately doesn’t stand up to much analysis.
I guess I’m not bothered anymore that two Wikileaks representatives in Africa were murdered this past week.
A better option is to use PayPal when possible or to get temporary credit card numbers, which can be offered by the bank through which you have your card. These can be generated online.
Just called Wells Fargo to cancel mine. Agent said they are getting all kinds of calls and they are all coming from Minnesota. If they catch the offending people just send them up here for a little “ice fishing”.
Nothing would exonerate Wikileaks from releasing the partial donor list, nothing. I don’t know why they did it, unless it was the same reason that a kidnapper sends an ear to the victim’s family, or to prove that they actually had the numbers. They claim that they did it to get the contributors’ attention. I’m not trying to defend their decision to post some of the numbers. But what they did does not somehow justify Coleman’s original errors, or his claims of being hacked.
Coleman’s db wasn’t hacked originally. Coleman’s IT security was lax. His storage of the numbers with their security codes is illegal. That was my original point in sum.
“When are the repubics going to start fighting back as hard as the libs are fighting us?”
Probably because most folks are who conservative generally have a great sense of decency and following the proper rules and etiquette in all things. Just compare how the Republicans handle defeat to how Al Gore and his fans handled his defeat in 2000. To the liberal(at least the modern liberal, anyway), the ends justifies the means since no matter what he does, he can always justify in his mind that he is committing the act in the name of “social justice.” I also find liberals tend to crave power more since their religion is the creation of a bigger and larger state whereas conservatives want a smaller government with less authority over the lives of its citizens. I surmise their out-of-control lust for more and more power drives many on the Left to act in a way that I don’t find to the same extent among folks on the Right.
Pick up your weapon and follow me.
When do we storm the Bastille?
While I agree with you about why dims are the way that they are, if we do not start fighting fire with fire... we will walk the wilderness for another 45 years of minority status... and I for one will do everything that I can do to actually wage the same kind of war against them that they wage against us.
LLS
I keep mine close these days!
LLS
Remember the new acronym:
O ne
B ig
A ss
M istake
A merica!
But, how ofen have they done these things and not been caught?
I don’t know how to evaluate your assessment that Coleman’s people screwed up. I’ll take that at face value and concede the point.
I don’t think this diminishes my fear one bit. Some evil force STILL had to be poking around the Coleman site looking for ways to do damage. And having found the data, whether by criminal means or not, they sent emails out saying to these 51,000 plus donors that they were in possession of their credit card information. I don’t find this act of intimidation any less chilling for having been catalyzed by a Coleman screw up, even if you are correct on that point.
And if this is why the MSM is looking the other way, I don’t find the MSM any less culpable. This is an act of intimidation, pure and simple. And it is of a breathtaking form and impact.
Or are you somehow maintaining, worst-case-scenario, that they act was any less heinous for having been enabled by some screw up IT person on the Coleman campaign? You seem to think that this point is relevant. I am having a difficult time understanding why.
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