Skip to comments.To Obama and his cronies-what orders US military will not obey
Posted on 03/11/2009 8:21:23 AM PDT by conservativegramma
U. S. Military, Veterans, and Peace Officers
Our oath is to the Constitution of the United States of America.
It is NOT to the President..., and that oath will be kept,......
Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.
Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President, not to Congress, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We dont care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law.. We wont just follow orders." Our motto: Not on Our Watch!
There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.
The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers. [This confliction MUST NOT be allowed to continue within our military...]
(Excerpt) Read more at defendourfreedoms.us ...
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects - such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a state of emergency on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that states legislature and governor.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control" during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires they form our line in the sand, and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.
It would be nice to actually believe that but when push comes to shove, I fear they will follow orders they know to be illegal.
MacArthur and Patton obeyed orders to fight fellow military veterans under Hoover’s orders - the “Bonus Army” conflict. There are others throughout history.
This about says it all. It’ll be a time to stand your ground and not back down. I don’t trust our government, Obammmmmma and his den of thieves are apt to go after ammo not guns. We should be prepared and pray it never comes to this.
I think you’ll see an even split. Those men like the above who will uphold the constitution no matter what; those who won’t really care about the constitution as much as they care about self-preservation and will try and remain ‘neutral’; and those who will actively engage with America’s enemies seeking their own glory.
Pretty much like it was in 1776. 1/3 Patriots; 1/3 Loyalists; 1/3 Tories.
Umm.... didn’t the National Guard already do a lot of those things after Hurricane Katrina?
Hoover was a LEGITIMATE president!!!
Re-read #4 above. Particularly that last phrase.
I agree with you.
It will be civil war again more like 1861.
I think Loyalists and Tories are the same thing. Did you mean:
1/3 Patriots, 1/3 Neutral, 1/3 Tories/Loyalists?
The “Oath Keepers” blog elaborates on each point:
No Offense, but the National Guard are a bunch of civilians just following orders. Dedicated Military personnel understand the oath and the ultimate responsibility that entails. They will not turn into the German military in the 1930s who swore an oath to Hitler, which ultimately destroyed their county and led to millions of deaths worldwide.
Yes, the Constitution SHOULD have place "TERM LIMITS" of any and ALL politicians at all levels.
I too took the oath: to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.
“Bonus Army conflict” was about money.
This time it is about the very essence of the Constitution and our Nation.
That is worth fighting for.
We have an obligation as citizens of the U.S. to oppose the loss of our Freedom and our Nation.
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
No offense, but you're an idiot. Don't you DARE insult the memory of my fourteen proud and brave friends, members of the Georgia National Guard, who gave their lives for YOU in Iraq by calling them "a bunch of civilians." I served in the infantry on both active duty and the Guard, and let me tell you the honest, unvarnished truth: If I want to pass an IG inspection, I'd go with an active duty unit. If I want to pass combat, I'd go with a National Guard unit.
Yes and no. The active duty military is restricted by something called Posse Comitatus, which basically says that active duty forces can't be used on US soil. The National Guard doesn't come under that act, because each state's Guard is under the command of the state governor.
In 1966, I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and I have never wavered from that promise. It literally pains me to even think about what it would mean to do so in today’s environment ... I’d do it but fully understand what the consequences would be.
It will be civil war again more like 1861.
“The active duty military is restricted by something called Posse Comitatus”
Hate to break it to you, but Posse Comitatus is effectively repealed.
These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on Oct 17, 2006, subsequently repealed Posse Comitatus in their entirety.
Section 1076 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. It provided that: “The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”
Thought provoking bump!
I stand partially corrected — Posse Comitatus would have still been in effect at the time of Katrina.
Thanks for the info, though. I had no idea it’d been repealed.
The truth is, in a time of civil unrest, National Guard members are more likely to follow the Constitution than a group of careerist regulars, who are so submerged in their own isolated military culture, they have less compassion for civilians.
National Guard members have a much better perspective than regulars, by their very nature.
That's been my experience as well. The NG also does way better in the peacekeeping sorts of missions, too, for the same reason.
This statement, “No Offense, but the National Guard are a bunch of civilians just following orders,” shows a serious lack of knowledge about the joint nature of our armed forces.
“Id do it but fully understand what the consequences would be.”
I also fully understand the consequences for me, and agree with you.
I understand both the personal risks and the consequence of inaction.
Our enemies both within and outside this great nation intend to subject and destroy us. It would take a fool not to understand this.
Our enemies have been preparing for this opportunity for a long time. Something has catalyzed this, they are convinced they can pull this off.
Using the global financial crisis to scare people into signing on to this heresy.
New Hampshire has it right, “Live Free or Die.”
I believe that it was the Louisiana State Police, under orders from Gov Blanco before the hurricane hit, that blocked the bridge, preventing New Orleans residents from traveling to the west side.
I have the same fear.
To call them "just a bunch of civilians following orders" is a disgrace and clear demonstration of absolute ignorance of what it means to put on a uniform and be the front line of defense of the country and Constitution - or to be their family and friends who love and support them.
We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
It will be interesting to see how the military operates when considering racial lines.
Tell this to the Wesley Clark’s that are in charge of the army. They’ll laugh you out of the room. Martial law has been declared in the past, and habeas corpus has been suspended multiple times. The Marine Corp is the only branch of service that I would put this kind of trust in.
It pains me that the Constitution I swore to defend is being subverted by Justices changing the meaning and constitutional abrogation by treaty. Kelo destroyed private property.
The military is less race conscious than civilian culture.
I spent 6 years in the Army Reserve, and 20 years running a Navy MARS station. I had and have no desire to be in the military, but have a special place in my heart for those who do that job.
About 5-6 years ago I taught electronics at a military base during 2 summers and am convinced that 75% of the military would support our position.
Contrary to Obozo’s contention, this is not about racial injustice.
A lot believe they were the same thing. But if you want to get really technical there was a distinction.
A Tory was in the strict sense of the term a member of a political party at the time, while all Tories were loyalists, not all loyalists were actually members of the Tory political party. See http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Tory&gwp=16
Even though all members of the Tory political party were Loyalists and both groups supported the crown, not all loyalists fought alongside the British preferring to remain 'neutral'. The vast majority of the Tory party did not remain neutral - they actively fought alongside the British and were referred to as the King's "American Troops".
The term has been used interchangeably then as now, and the debate still goes on among American history buffs. Some sources say they were the same, other sources point out the above political party affliation as a distinct difference. I suppose you could compare it to modern politics. Not every liberal is a Democrat, as we all know, some are also Republican. And not every Conservative is a Republican some are Libertarians and some are part of the Constitution party. If that helps any.
I doubt race has much to do with it. IIRC (and I may be wrong, I don’t recall the finer points of the stories), but neither of those individuals were capture on US soil, were they?
Think back to WWII. If an American citizen had been captured in France, fighting for a German unit, he would’ve been treated as a POW, not a criminal. If the same American citizen had been working for the Gestapo, he’d have been held as an unlawful enemy combatant.
Oh...., right. Theyre not white. Gotcha.
I spoke with an Army E-7 I am close to. I have known this fine you man for 26 years. He said that activity in Iraq (he left there on March 7 due to the death of his mother) settled down considerably once 0bama announced his pull out time table.
He stated he and most of those he knows will execute any “Constitutionally legal order”. He was reluctant to say any more. I was able to read between the lines, he is concerned, as are we.
He returns to Iraq tomorrow (March 12). In April, he may be transferred to Afghanistan.
"Constitutionally legal" order. This tells me they are discussing the constitution at least and thinking there may come down the pike un-constitutional orders!
MacArthur was sent to disperse a large crowd that was demanding early payment on their war bonuses (which were due for another few years). In other words, they had assembled to demand a government handout. MacArthur sent them packing. One person died in the chaos.
Two years later they returned to demand the same thing. FDR wasn’t any more interested in giving it to them than Hoover, but he got rid of them differently- he sent them into exile.
FDR sent the bonus marchers to the Middle Florida Keys to build a road linking the islands. It was then one of the most remote places within the 48 states, the government assured them they would be taken care of. In 1935, hundreds of them died in the great Labor Day Hurricane. Problem solved.
Good Shootin' Tex!
Maybe now people will get the obsession with Lincoln.
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