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BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber
S.F. Gate ^ | 2/20/09 | Henry K. Lee

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:25:24 AM PST by Nachum

OAKLAND -- A 23-year-old visitor from the East Coast had just gotten money from an ATM when he told his friend on a cell phone that he had a bad feeling about two men approaching him at the Fruitvale BART Station in Oakland.

His worst fears were realized when one suspect, Victor Veliz, 18, held a folding knife with a 5-inch blade to his neck and the other, Christopher Gonzalez, 18, threatened to shoot him Thursday night, authorities said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; holdup; knife; victim

1 posted on 02/22/2009 10:25:25 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

QUICK! PROSECUTE THIS VICTIM FOR MURDER!!! < /Britain>


2 posted on 02/22/2009 10:26:43 AM PST by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Nachum
He added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

Looks like your son paid in full, Dad

3 posted on 02/22/2009 10:30:53 AM PST by llevrok (You vill havf mein CHANGE undt like it, ja!)
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To: Nachum
He added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

Looks to me as if someone already has.

4 posted on 02/22/2009 10:31:17 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (When a lovely flame dies, smoke gets in your eyes.)
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To: Nachum

But the dead perp was “a good boy”, hard working and all that crap.

Obama’s fault.


5 posted on 02/22/2009 10:31:59 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: llevrok

You want someone to pay for it, Dad? How about you for raising a miscreant douchebag for a child?


6 posted on 02/22/2009 10:32:18 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Nachum

Yes, the MSM template calls for the line about how the dead man was “turning his life around”. Look for it in the Monday Comical.


7 posted on 02/22/2009 10:35:07 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Lazamataz

Just the typical Latino gang in CA robbing and pilaging...nothing to see here.


8 posted on 02/22/2009 10:35:48 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Nachum

The dead thug’s father offers the typical reaction:

“My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this.”

He seems to not understand that his son already paid for this, he bought the ticket when he put a knife to the victim’s throat.

Arrgghh.


9 posted on 02/22/2009 10:36:32 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Nachum
This is unreal:
Javier Gonzalez sobbed at the loss of his son, who worked with him in his roofing business and at Oakland Raiders games.

"I'm angry at both of them," he said of the robbery victim and Veliz. "They took my son away from me. He was a hard-working kid."

He added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

This guy is lucky he apparently cannot be charged with a crime. He's the one who should pay.

ML/NJ

10 posted on 02/22/2009 10:45:05 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Nachum
We will all soon be held up at knife point....by the Obama gang.
11 posted on 02/22/2009 10:49:11 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: llevrok
He added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."<<<<<<<<<<<

Until he said that, I felt sorry for the Dad. His son was being a punk and got exactly what he deserved. If he was my son I would be absolutely heartbroken and wondering where I had failed. I sure would not be mad at the innocent victim who did exactly what he had a right to do.

I hate to hear of a death so young, but I love stories where the thug gets it in the end. Don't you just love the other guy getting a murder charge for the death of his friend. That's justice if the father thinks about it.

12 posted on 02/22/2009 10:51:36 AM PST by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Nachum

Only in America can the perps family expect justice in their behalf.


13 posted on 02/22/2009 10:51:45 AM PST by rocksblues (Sarah and Joe, Real Americans!)
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To: llevrok
He added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

Looks like your son paid in full, Dad

Still charge Veliz with 2nd degree murder.

14 posted on 02/22/2009 10:54:59 AM PST by ColdWater
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To: Nachum

Hey, it’s all the white man’s fault, all those years of oppression have just made the minorities crazy. If we just give them all our money, they will be instantly rehabilitated.


15 posted on 02/22/2009 11:02:31 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: EggsAckley

Sounds like the victim had an extremely fast defensive reflex.

He had the adrenalin shakes afterward, but it saved his life.


16 posted on 02/22/2009 11:03:36 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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To: llevrok

No, there’s still a balance due: THE OTHER PERP who will almost certainly hook up with another criminal pal and do this again.


17 posted on 02/22/2009 11:05:57 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: llevrok
If I had robbed someone at that age my father would have beat me half to death with a 2X4, drug what was left of me to the cop shop himself and turned me in. My father had Honor and insisted that I live an honest and honorable life as well.
Like father like son. The father in this demonstrates his total lack of Honor or knowing right from wrong. In this case it is generational. He passed his ways on to his son and it got his son killed. I guess he wants us to believe that as long as his kid works hard in the day time he has free run to be a punk and criminal at night. The Oakland streets are a little safer tonight and I'm grateful for that.
18 posted on 02/22/2009 11:11:40 AM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: Nachum
I want somebody to pay for this."

Kid just died and already looking for a handout.

19 posted on 02/22/2009 11:23:39 AM PST by Malsua
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To: oldenuff2no

I agree with you. If I had done that I would have raced my father to the police in hopes they would get me before he did. That’s probably why I never did any such thing. Dad was on the Job.


20 posted on 02/22/2009 11:31:30 AM PST by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: llevrok

Live by the knife, die by the knife.


21 posted on 02/22/2009 11:31:36 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Nachum

Oh, diversity!

Diane Feinstein and Zer0 tell me there is no difference in cultures, just a need for more tolerance and cash to fund years of discrimination.

How is the Mexican space program coming?

These are what we import, are you surprised?

Thanks Mr. Kennedy.


22 posted on 02/22/2009 11:49:28 AM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Malsua

Solis to the rescue!


23 posted on 02/22/2009 11:50:31 AM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Nachum
[Perp's father] added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

OK, pops, how about you in a civil suit filed by your son's intended victim? Sounds like you have assets. Works for me.

24 posted on 02/22/2009 11:56:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: Nachum
Hey Chico, you b*tch - want some of this?

Oh, sorry, you aren't talking, are you?

25 posted on 02/22/2009 11:59:34 AM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: Nachum
"... triple shooting outside the BART station ... a mistaken belief that the victims were gang members. Two of the four men ... in a ... car ... sprayed with bullets were wearing red baseball caps, and the color red is associated with a Latino gang, said Daly City police Lt. Jay Morena. But the victims were not gang members ..."

OK, new stimulus proposal: funding for signs posted outside these neighborhoods warning the general public that they are 'now leaving the American sector' and that travel is at your own risk?

26 posted on 02/22/2009 12:00:52 PM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: Bedford Forrest

Semper Fi, eventhough I was a Leg in Army.


27 posted on 02/22/2009 12:04:12 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Nachum

Would somebody please look into this father’s citizenship status. It would be fitting to find out if this poor excuse for a parent is here illegally and ship him out.


28 posted on 02/22/2009 12:07:29 PM PST by doc
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To: Nachum

Hats off to the victim...what a stud! One dead perp and another cretin off the streets. Bravo!


29 posted on 02/22/2009 12:11:29 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Nachum

“He was a hard-working kid.”

Instead of the 40 hours required by the gang that he belonged to he put in 60 hours a week.


30 posted on 02/22/2009 12:11:57 PM PST by doc
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To: ml/nj

This is unreal:
Javier Gonzalez sobbed at the loss of his son, who worked with him in his roofing business and at Oakland Raiders games.
“I’m angry at both of them,” he said of the robbery victim and Veliz. “They took my son away from me. He was a hard-working kid.”

He added, “My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this.”

This guy is lucky he apparently cannot be charged with a crime. He’s the one who should pay.
ML/NJ”

The Oakland thugs are apparently in an all-out war with BART and the people who are trying to run it on a daily basis.

The thugs make life miserable for riders of mass transit- as the riders are trapped inside the train, and cannot get much help.

The punks giving the officers a hard time a couple of months ago have managed to get one Bart officer terminated, and another on leave, over the shooting of one of the punks. Drunk- possible on drugs- combative- pieces of crap... They are demanding that the head of BART security/police be fired or quit.

I would not ride any mass transit anywhere near Oakland, much less in the Bay Area.

The criminals in San Fran are not just the politicions.


31 posted on 02/22/2009 12:27:18 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

Monday the story will be, Martial Arts Expert takes knife from youngster kills fathers only son.


32 posted on 02/22/2009 12:28:25 PM PST by xero
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To: ridesthemiles

Don’t get me started! The punk shot by a cop has had a lot of sympathizers here!


33 posted on 02/22/2009 12:30:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ml/nj

Yep.


34 posted on 02/22/2009 12:31:52 PM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum

“He added, “My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this.””

I suggest Dad kick his own arse.


35 posted on 02/22/2009 12:35:25 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ridesthemiles
I would not ride any mass transit anywhere near Oakland, much less in the Bay Area.

I wouldn't ride mass transit in Atlanta, and I can carry a gun there. I used to do it while in grad school, and I can't even count the number of teeenage punks I had to stare down.

36 posted on 02/22/2009 12:42:15 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Nachum; All

The Dad owes every BART rider an apology fro his son’s bad behavior, and he should be forced by public hue and cry to formally beg the apology of the man his son tried to murder, the innocent victim his son did viciously attack so as to rob and to whom his son did injure.


37 posted on 02/22/2009 1:18:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum

Ping.


38 posted on 02/22/2009 8:35:52 PM PST by Poundstone
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