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Golden West deal doomed Wachovia in crisis
The Charlotte Observer, Charlotte, NC ^ | 2008-12-22 | Rick Rothacker

Posted on 12/26/2008 8:38:29 PM PST by rabscuttle385

In front of a ballroom full of N.C. bankers in January 2006, Wachovia chief executive Ken Thompson warned of the dangers of “toxic” home loans.

A problem with so-called option adjustable-rate mortgages, he told the group, was that homeowners can end up owing more at the end of the month than the beginning, which can be a “tough situation” for customers and lenders.

“I have literally been amazed at the terms offered by some mortgage lenders, thankfully not at Wachovia and thankfully not so much in North Carolina,” he said.

Four months later in May 2006, Thompson took a $24 billion plunge into the mortgage business by buying Oakland, Calif.-based Golden West Financial. Its specialty? The same loans he had cautioned against: option ARMs.

Wachovia, a brand known for conservative lending, had changed course and forged its biggest deal ever. Two and a half years later, the purchase has played a central role in the Charlotte bank's near collapse and its planned sale to San Francisco-based Wells Fargo. Shareholders vote Tuesday on the takeover.

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1 posted on 12/26/2008 8:38:30 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 12/26/2008 8:38:57 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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3 posted on 12/26/2008 8:39:24 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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Four months later in May 2006, Thompson took a $24 billion plunge into the mortgage business by buying Oakland, Calif.-based Golden West Financial. Its specialty? The same loans he had cautioned against: option ARMs.


What a tool! Wachovia is/was my bank. I’m actually relieved they’re being taken over by Wells Fargo rather than Citi.


4 posted on 12/26/2008 8:45:56 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Wachovia, a brand known for conservative lending, had changed course and forged its biggest deal ever.

Wachovia, formerly one of the most conservative and best run large regional banks in the country, began rapidly circling the bowl immediately following their acquisition by First Union, a bunch of highly questionable, go-go idiots if there ever was one. First Union needed a good name, since they'd ruined their own. They found one in Wachovia, for a short while at least, until the old habits came to the fore once again.

5 posted on 12/26/2008 8:48:10 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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Wachovia is/was my bank.

Better than me. I was banking with Citifail until the whole thing blew up this fall, and now that they sold my credit card to Bank of America, I'm leaving them for good.

6 posted on 12/26/2008 8:48:43 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Army Air Corps

Is this one we need?


7 posted on 12/26/2008 8:57:23 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I was offered a job at First Union several years ago. They wanted me to write software to tell the mortgage traders which packages of loans had the best value. They were especially interested in finding values missed by other banks offering bundles of mortgages for trade.


8 posted on 12/26/2008 9:13:13 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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Freepers, was Golden West Financial the company whose founders were lampooned on SNL about a month ago?


9 posted on 12/26/2008 9:25:25 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: rabscuttle385

Herb and Marion Sandler’s involvement in Golden West/Wachovia cannot be told enough. They are responsible.

It’s time for conservatives to stop blaming a company name and start blaming the PEOPLE in charge.

Companies don’t kill markets and fortunes. PEOPLE kill markets and fortunes.


10 posted on 12/26/2008 9:26:37 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (Buying carbon credits will not get me into Heaven. I am second - http://iamsecond.com/#/home/)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Come to think of it, I think they pulled the video of the interview pretty quickly. What were their names?


11 posted on 12/26/2008 9:26:40 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AmericanGirlRising

Thank you!


12 posted on 12/26/2008 9:27:14 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Tai_Chung

Sounds like it did not work.


13 posted on 12/26/2008 9:27:39 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: rbg81

“I’m actually relieved they’re being taken over by Wells Fargo rather than Citi. “

So am I. Working for a bank who chose to be conservative when conservative wasn’t cool, is now a good thing.


14 posted on 12/26/2008 9:32:19 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I can't wait for January 20, 2013")
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To: Orange1998

I turned the job down.


15 posted on 12/26/2008 9:37:44 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: RegulatorCountry

You nailed it perfectly.

Ironically, what we are seeing today bears an uncanny resemblance to the similar rampant stupidity and reckless greed we saw in the years that led to the RTC, and before that the REIT fiasco. It seems like every 20 years or so the bankers find a new scheme to get themselves into trouble and send their institutions down the toilet. Bail these idiots out?

Talk about failing to learn from history... Whew. I think the people in charge should go to freaking jail.
Just for raw stupidity alone.


16 posted on 12/26/2008 9:43:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 17th Miss Regt

sure was


17 posted on 12/26/2008 9:43:54 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Tai_Chung

I did not mean that. Referring to the programmer hired.


18 posted on 12/26/2008 9:48:53 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: rabscuttle385

It wasn’t just that they bought Golden West, they were nutty enough to pay a large premium for it. that is an indication that they found no problems with the lending practices. That is why they continued them and changed Wachovia into the Golden West model of giving it away.


19 posted on 12/26/2008 10:24:45 PM PST by aaCharley
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To: rabscuttle385
and now that they sold my credit card to Bank of America

Since Citi bought my credit card from MBNA (perhaps the best of the credit card banks) and then immediately flipped to to Nationsbank several years ago, I haven't had any problems with NationsBank/BofA.

Now BankOne was an organization that earned its low reputation. And Chase seems to have an affinity for Sunday due dates now that they are JPMorganChase.

I'm still trying to figure out who canceled my card a few weeks ago - no bank name on the letter, just the last 4 digits from the card.

20 posted on 12/26/2008 11:31:35 PM PST by PAR35
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